I'll start with a list of creatures that I know about. I don't have access to everything that has come out from WotC yet so definitely add things that I miss. Also I am putting forward creatures that I know of/ or think of as Mystaran - feel free to comment on all that too (I am sure that some of my suggestions might show a lack of knowledge of larger 1E and 2E Dungeons and Dragons).
The supplements that I am working from are the 3.5E Monster Manual, Monster Manual II, Dragon Issue 315*** and the Book of Vile Darkness and Savage Species although nothing was found in the last two.
Aranea, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 15
Athach, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 21
Choker, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 34
Dragon Turtle, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 88
Juggernaut, Monster Manual II, page 132 *
Kopru, Monster Manual II, page 134
Manscorpion, Monster Manual II, page 221 **
Nightshade, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 195
Titan, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 242
Tortle, Dragon issue 315, page 72
* it's only the stone juggernaut in this entry
** I havent read the entry yet but the Scorpionfolk seem to be a conversion of manscorpions
*** I don't know what the troodon from issue 318, I don't recall them being around before, were they?
Originally posted by DmJoeSolarte
Did Phantaon's and those one creatures that live in the deep center of the Isle of Dread ever make out source books?
ever make out source books. I don't quite understand what you're trying to say there.
Phanaton's, aranea and rakasta from Isle of Dread were greatly expanded upon in later D&D/ Mystaran material yes. They all got their own nations on the Savage Coast, and the rakasta race was greatly expanded in issue 247 of Dragon. Phanaton's and rakasta to my knowledge haven't been officially published in 3E although many conversions for them exist on the Internet (a couple exist on the Vaults). Aranea were converted in Monster Manual I.
Kopru from the Isle of Dread were expanded a bit in PC3 The Sea People and they appear converted to 3E in Monster Manual II. I believe that they also appear in the Dungeon issue 114 (although that hasn't hit the shelveshere yet).
To my knowledge Grangeri were never heard from again.
by Shawn
To my knowledge Grangeri were never heard from again.
I've never seen them again either, but they have been converted by Trevor Mellis on the Vaults.
Phanaton's and rakasta to my knowledge haven't been officially published in 3E
I've seen so many conversions of Rakasta on the internet that it humours me :D .
Manscorpion, Monster Manual II, page 221 ** I havent read the entry yet but the Scorpionfolk seem to be a conversion of manscorpions
I just read it over and although it could be used as is, they have 50% more hit dice and some additional ablilities such as trample and spell-like abilities. To balance this somewhat in the gameworld I would just give them a smaller population, otherwise they would be a terrible force to reckon with. Of course, a population explosion of manscorpions would make for an interesting high-level series of adventures. Personally, I will probably use the Monster Manual II Scorpionfolk entry as Mystara's Manscorpions IMC should I need them. Opinions?
Blackball (aka Umbral Blot), Epic Level Handbook, pg. 223
Brain Collector (Neh-Thalggu), Epic Level Handbook, pg. 206
Flesh Colossus, Epic Level Handbook, pg. 172
- From module X2 (the Colossus of Ylourgne)
Some others that were D&D versions of AD&D monsters, and can just use the stats presented in other sources:
Ice Wolf- Use Winter Wolf, Monster Manual I, p. 256
Shark-kin- Use Sahuagin, Monster Manul I, p. 217
- But use Mystaran Shark-kin cultural notes, not Sahuagin cultural notes
Strangle Vine- Use Assassin Vine, Monster Manual I, p. 20
Yowler- Use Yeth Hound, Monster Manual I, p. 260
Nekrozon- Use Catoblepas, Monster Manual II, p. ??
by Cthulhudrew
Nekrozon- Use Catoblepas, Monster Manual II, p. ??
?? = 41
Originally posted by Hugin
I've never seen them again either, but they have been converted by Trevor Mellis on the Vaults.
I've seen so many conversions of Rakasta on the internet that it humours me :D .
yeah there's bucket loads of them isn't there
I just read it over and although it could be used as is, they have 50% more hit dice and some additional ablilities such as trample and spell-like abilities. To balance this somewhat in the gameworld I would just give them a smaller population, otherwise they would be a terrible force to reckon with. Of course, a population explosion of manscorpions would make for an interesting high-level series of adventures. Personally, I will probably use the Monster Manual II Scorpionfolk entry as Mystara's Manscorpions IMC should I need them. Opinions?
cool
Originally posted by Cthulhudrew
Here are some more for you:
Blackball (aka Umbral Blot), Epic Level Handbook, pg. 223
Brain Collector (Neh-Thalggu), Epic Level Handbook, pg. 206
Flesh Colossus, Epic Level Handbook, pg. 172
- From module X2 (the Colossus of Ylourgne)
Some others that were D&D versions of AD&D monsters, and can just use the stats presented in other sources:
Ice Wolf- Use Winter Wolf, Monster Manual I, p. 256
Shark-kin- Use Sahuagin, Monster Manul I, p. 217
- But use Mystaran Shark-kin cultural notes, not Sahuagin cultural notes
Strangle Vine- Use Assassin Vine, Monster Manual I, p. 20
Yowler- Use Yeth Hound, Monster Manual I, p. 260
Nekrozon- Use Catoblepas, Monster Manual II, p. ??
cheers Cthuludrew
in line with your Colossus of Ylourgne entry I guess I should've also added
Zargon, Dragon issue 315, page 91
Banshee Fiend Folio
Demon Prince (Orcus) Vile Darkness
Demon Prince (Demogorgon) Vile Darkness
Demon Prince (yeenoghu) Book of Vile Darkness
Giant, Mountain MMII
Hook Horror MMII
Juggernaut MMII
Manscorpion Monsters of Faerun
Megatherium Fiend Folio
Phoenix MMII
Sylph MMII
Water Weird MMII
Yeti (Bigfoot) Oriental Adventures
Ill check the page numbers later.
Some of these may not be considered monsters. The Demon Princes may rather be considered Immortals ofcourse, though the original Immortals rules listed Orcus and Demogorgon in the Monsters Section. Yeenoghu is what the Gnolls call Ranivorus.
Others of the monsters above may neccessarily be considered Mystara specific monsters, though they do appear in the RC.
In addition the following monsters will appear in chapter 7 (page number unknown) the upcoming Blackmoor D20 Sourcebook:
Afridhi
Beastman
Thrall of Coot
Elemental (metal and wood)
Froglin
Gatorman (Broadgrin)
Goblin, Ash
Grazer
Mephit (wood and steel)
Naliseth
Naliseth Spawn
Orc, Balebourne
Skandaharian
Spirit Animal
Steppes Charger
Thoul
At least some of these have previously appeared in Mystara specific products.
Cheers,
Håvard
Håvard
Originally posted by havard
Here are some more:
Banshee Fiend Folio
Demon Prince (Orcus) Vile Darkness
Demon Prince (Demogorgon) Vile Darkness
Demon Prince (yeenoghu) Book of Vile Darkness
Giant, Mountain MMII
Hook Horror MMII
Juggernaut MMII
Manscorpion Monsters of Faerun
Megatherium Fiend Folio
Phoenix MMII
Sylph MMII
Water Weird MMII
Yeti (Bigfoot) Oriental Adventures
Others of the monsters above may neccessarily be considered Mystara specific monsters, though they do appear in the RC.
Yeah that was my problem with a couple of creatures. Things like Banshee, Phoenix, Sylph, Water Weird and Yeti I would have thought would have been generic monsters. Are there particular arguments for these? Hook Horror was always one of those odd monsters. I still don't own a copy of XL1 and so my only knowledge of it came from the Master DM's book where it's got a trademark (what's going on there?). Mountain Giants, are those anywhere else, I was unsure of them.
Ill check the page numbers later.
Some of these may not be considered monsters. The Demon Princes may rather be considered Immortals ofcourse, though the original Immortals rules listed Orcus and Demogorgon in the Monsters Section. Yeenoghu is what the Gnolls call Ranivorus.
in this section of the FAQ we can say something about some of these guys being Immortals in Mystara
In addition the following monsters will appear in chapter 7 (page number unknown) the upcoming Blackmoor D20 Sourcebook:
Afridhi
Beastman
Thrall of Coot
Elemental (metal and wood)
Froglin
Gatorman (Broadgrin)
Goblin, Ash
Grazer
Mephit (wood and steel)
Naliseth
Naliseth Spawn
Orc, Balebourne
Skandaharian
Spirit Animal
Steppes Charger
Thoul
At least some of these have previously appeared in Mystara specific products.
Cheers,
Håvard
well picked up Håvard
Originally posted by Hugin
I've never seen them again either, but they have been converted by Trevor Mellis on the Vaults.
I was meant to be making a joke about the grangeri there. I never knew about them whether they were some prehistoric creature or some really average made up monster for the module. What I really meant was that there is no nation of grangeri living (possibly on the Savage Coast) somewhere.
although come to think of it, how about a a pissbly human nation somehwere ruled by ... their fearsome overlord ... the great and powerful ... GIANT OYSTER
Originally posted by Hugin
what's that one to Hugin?
what's that one to Hugin?
Me being to slow to recognize sarcasm when it pops up. Perhaps I should be
instead of embarrased. Although come to think of it, I couldn't tell you off-hand what a grangeri looks like either; prehistoric would be my first guess though.Originally posted by Hugin
...Although come to think of it, I couldn't tell you off-hand what a grangeri looks like either; prehistoric would be my first guess though.
Originally posted by stanles
I was meant to be making a joke about the grangeri there. I never knew about them whether they were some prehistoric creature or some really average made up monster for the module.
Here you go fellers:
Picture of a Grangeri
It's more properly known as a Baluchitherium or Indricotherium (and I think there might be stats for it in some product or other- AD&D Monster Manual had some, I'm pretty sure. MMII, maybe?). The largest mammal known to have lived. Here's some more info, courtesy of one of my favorite pages, Megafauna.
All sorts of interesting goodies here to look at and think about for your own campaign. Some of these creatures remind me a bit of our resident Owl Bear, for which I directed Havard to the Megafauna site once.
Some more interesting tidbits about the "Grangeri":
http://www.bbc.co.uk/beasts/factfiles/factfiles/indricothere.shtml
http://www.paleocraft.com/Indricotherium2.html
http://www4.vc-net.ne.jp/~klivo/gen/indricotherium.htm
Personally, though, I really like this guy:
Chalicothere
Originally posted by havard
[b]Here are some more:
Banshee Fiend Folio
Demon Prince (Orcus) Vile Darkness
Demon Prince (Demogorgon) Vile Darkness
Demon Prince (yeenoghu) Book of Vile Darkness
Giant, Mountain MMII
Hook Horror MMII
Juggernaut MMII
Manscorpion Monsters of Faerun
Megatherium Fiend Folio
Phoenix MMII
Sylph MMII
Water Weird MMII
Yeti (Bigfoot) Oriental Adventures
The Hook Horror and Mountain Giant originally appeared in the Fiend Folio for 1st ed. AD&D (published in 1980, predated Quest for the Heartstone which was printed in 1984). Orcus, Demogorgon, and Yeenoghu first appeared in the 1st ed. Monster Manual (printed in 1979, predated the Immortals boxed set, which was printed in 1985). The Umber Hulk appeared in the Monster Manual before Quest for the Heartstone (where it was called a "Hulker"), as did the Dragonne and Roper.
I tend to agree that the phoenix, sylph, water weird, yeti, and banshee are generic and therefore not truly Mystaran...otherwise you'd have to list goblins, ogres, elves, and dragons ;)
Originally posted by Cthulhudrew
Here you go fellers:
Picture of a Grangeri
It's more properly known as a Baluchitherium or Indricotherium (and I think there might be stats for it in some product or other- AD&D Monster Manual had some, I'm pretty sure. MMII, maybe?). The largest mammal known to have lived. Here's some more info, courtesy of one of my favorite pages, Megafauna.
cheers Cthuludrew, good to have that one finally answered
Originally posted by Bluebomber4evr
The Hook Horror and Mountain Giant originally appeared in the Fiend Folio for 1st ed. AD&D (published in 1980, predated Quest for the Heartstone which was printed in 1984). Orcus, Demogorgon, and Yeenoghu first appeared in the 1st ed. Monster Manual (printed in 1979, predated the Immortals boxed set, which was printed in 1985). The Umber Hulk appeared in the Monster Manual before Quest for the Heartstone (where it was called a "Hulker"), as did the Dragonne and Roper.
I tend to agree that the phoenix, sylph, water weird, yeti, and banshee are generic and therefore not truly Mystaran...otherwise you'd have to list goblins, ogres, elves, and dragons ;)
covering the devils or demosn of one campaign setting and the immortals of Mystara whilst it migth not be part of the answer to this question would have to be looked at somewhere else in a FAQ however.
If I remember correctly - so is the Dragonne(TM). Now I am not sure, but I think the monster names were owned by a thrid party - not TSR, hence TSR had to give credit that the names had been trademarked by someone else.
If anyone knows any more on this do say (or perhaps we should move it to the out of print board as it is more 1stEd AD&D).
That monsters originally appearing for the first time in one of the B, X, C or M series modules (and therefore "belonging" to Mystara) were collected into the old 0D&D Creature Catalogue supplement. (along with a few species of normal and giant animals). This is true of such creatures as Faedorne, the Juggernaut, the Kal-Muru, the Magen, the Silver Warrior, the Soul Eater, the Crone of Chaos, the Garl, the Hephaeston, the Kara-Kara and the Grey Philosopher to name but a few.
And it was my impression that the monsters in the old red, blue, greyblue and black boxed set DMs books were "standard" D&D and later AD&D monsters; that being the case with the mountain giant and Banshee if I am not very much mistaken... These monsters were never limited to Mystara AFAIK.
:-) Jesper
Originally posted by Kheldren
stanles asked why was the Hook Horror(TM) trademarked?
If I remember correctly - so is the Dragonne(TM). Now I am not sure, but I think the monster names were owned by a thrid party - not TSR, hence TSR had to give credit that the names had been trademarked by someone else.
If anyone knows any more on this do say (or perhaps we should move it to the out of print board as it is more 1stEd AD&D).
Well, LJN was the toy company licensed by TSR, Inc. to make the AD&D action figures, but the product identity listing in XL-1 designates that "... all character and monster names designated by TM are trademarks owned by TSR, Inc." So, they are actually owned and trademarked by TSR, and not LJN. (Interestingly, though, the Roper isn't trademarked, nor is the Dragonfly. I'd guess that they couldn't tm "dragonfly" as it is too generic a name, but Roper? Dunno.)
Anyway, my guess is that they Trademarked the Dragonne and Hook Horror specifically because they were being used in an alternative medium (toys, in this case) outside of the rpg game (which they would have already have trademarked, I think, simply due to publication). Doesn't explain the lack of TM for certain things (like the Roper, for instance), nor does it explain why they trademarked them in the reprinted stats in the Master DM's module. (FWIW, they are not explicitly TM'd in either Creature Catalog. At least not with the individual TM- they are only trademarked in the product identity section at the beginning of the books.)
Well, to make a long story short, I'd assume it had something to do with their licensing deal with LJN that necessitated them trademarking those beasties. But from all that I can tell, TSR (or now WotC) owns the rights to them still.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, nor am I any sort of expert in patents/copyrights/trademarks (though I have a little experience working with copyrights). I may be completely wrong about all of this.
Between this and a post I replied to on the MML, maybe I should reconsider a career in copyright law...?
Originally posted by Spellweaver
Well, this is a long thread and I cannot keep all the names in the various posts in my head, so I would just like to share what I always thought was the case:
That monsters originally appearing for the first time in one of the B, X, C or M series modules (and therefore "belonging" to Mystara) were collected into the old 0D&D Creature Catalogue supplement. (along with a few species of normal and giant animals). This is true of such creatures as Faedorne, the Juggernaut, the Kal-Muru, the Magen, the Silver Warrior, the Soul Eater, the Crone of Chaos, the Garl, the Hephaeston, the Kara-Kara and the Grey Philosopher to name but a few.
And it was my impression that the monsters in the old red, blue, greyblue and black boxed set DMs books were "standard" D&D and later AD&D monsters; that being the case with the mountain giant and Banshee if I am not very much mistaken... These monsters were never limited to Mystara AFAIK.
:-) Jesper
Whilst that's a good place to start creatures like the druj and odic, off the top of my head, are ones that I doubt have been taken up widely in other pulbished campaign worlds elsewhere. Similarly the thoul seems to illicit in a number of people an impression that it is moreso a Mystaran monster. Overall these will probably prove to be the exception rather than the rule and your definition of standard and non-standard is probably a good place to start.
Btw, the Grangeri is cool! Thanks for posting the picture Andrew. I always thought the Grangeri was native to the Isle of Dread, but now I am considering making it a common Mystaran animal, along with the Megatherium.
Håvard
Originally posted by havard
Btw, the Grangeri is cool! Thanks for posting the picture Andrew. I always thought the Grangeri was native to the Isle of Dread, but now I am considering making it a common Mystaran animal, along with the Megatherium.
Now just give 'em some riders/herders- maybe the Garls use them for mounts. Talk about a terrible cavalry!
Originally posted by Cthulhudrew
Now just give 'em some riders/herders- maybe the Garls use them for mounts. Talk about a terrible cavalry!
Indeed! I just checked the scale image on the site you mentioned for the Grangeri, those things are huge. Garl Grangeri riders, yeah those guys would be a considerable threat to almost anyone. I can see some of these guys hanging out on Davania, or maybe near the Oltec Savannahs in the Hollow World.
Yikes!
Håvard
Originally posted by havard
Indeed! I just checked the scale image on the site you mentioned for the Grangeri, those things are huge. Garl Grangeri riders, yeah those guys would be a considerable threat to almost anyone. I can see some of these guys hanging out on Davania, or maybe near the Oltec Savannahs in the Hollow World.
Yikes!
Håvard
You can of course use the Garls any way you like, but strictly speaking they are not from Mystara. To my knowledge, they only appeared in an alternate world that the PCs can travel to in the 0D&D module Where Chaos Reigns, where they were waging a terrible war on the elves. And in that scenario they rode mamouths by the way :D
:-) Jesper
Originally posted by Spellweaver
You can of course use the Garls any way you like, but strictly speaking they are not from Mystara. To my knowledge, they only appeared in an alternate world that the PCs can travel to in the 0D&D module Where Chaos Reigns, where they were waging a terrible war on the elves. And in that scenario they rode mamouths by the way :D
Cool,
I do own a copy of Where Chaos Reigns, but I guess its been a long time since I read that. :embarrass
AC9 Creature Catalogue makes no reference to any of that so in a way it redefines the Garls as a type of creature who may exist on various places on Mystara aswell. IIRC, it is speculated that they are ancestors of neanderthals or Hill Giants.
I like Wooly Mammoth Riders too though... ;)
Håvard
Originally posted by Spellweaver
You can of course use the Garls any way you like, but strictly speaking they are not from Mystara. To my knowledge, they only appeared in an alternate world that the PCs can travel to in the 0D&D module Where Chaos Reigns, where they were waging a terrible war on the elves. And in that scenario they rode mamouths by the way :D
Garls do appear in one of the Blackmoor modules- DA3 or DA4 (I don't remember exactly which- pretty sure its DA3, though), which places them in historical Mystara as well as the world of Aelos.
Again this list is not a complete list it is only one that has been compiled thus far. Also the creatures are those that we can think of as Mystaran at the moment, although if you have arguments for or against any of them feel
free to speak out. I am half compelled just to list everywhere where a published OD&D creatures appears in 3E. Given the number of 3E publications out there it's not necessarily useless and get's around any argument of - oh wait a tick that's not really a 'Mystaran' creature.
Aranea, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 15
Athach, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 21
Blackball, Epic Level Handbook (Umbral Blot), page 223
Brain Collector (Neh-Thalggu), Epic Level Handbook, page 206 *****
Choker, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 34
Colossus of Ylourgne, Epic Level Handbook (Flesh Colossus), page 172 **
Dragon Turtle, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 88
Grangeri, Fiend Folio (Indricothere), page 100
Ice Wolf, Monster Manual I (Winter Wolf), page 256 ****
Juggernaut, Monster Manual II, page 132 *
Kopru, Monster Manual II, page 134
Manscorpion, Monster Manual II (Scorpionfolk), page 221 ***
Megatherium, Fiend Folio, page 124
Nekrozon, Monster Manual II (Catoblepas), page 41
Nightshade, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 195
Shark-kin, Monster Manual I (Sahuagin), page 217
Shedu, Fiend Folio, page 153
Strangle Vine, Monster Manual I (Assassin Vine), page 20 ****
Thoul, forthcoming Blackmoor d20 release
Titan, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 242
Tortle, Dragon issue 315, page 72
Yowler, Monster Manual I (Yeth Hound), page 260 ****
Zargon, Dragon issue 315, page 91
* it's only the stone juggernaut in this entry.
** the Colossus of Ylourgne is the unique creature from the module X2 Castle Amber.
*** the scorpionfolk could be used as a conversion of manscorpions although it is by no means an exact translation. Scorpionfolk have 50% more hit dice and some additional abilities such as trample and spell-like abilities.
**** these were D&D versions of AD&D monsters, their name in the 3E source is given in brackets
***** a little bit more powerful than the brain collectors we know and love
The Bhut in the Fiend Folio is not really like the Mystaran bhut, although they were both obviously souced from the same mythologies.
The Revenant from the Monsters of Faerun compendium is unlike the Revenant in the Companion rules
Originally posted by stanles
The list of creatures has expanded a little bit now. Thanks to everyone who has been part of the discussion thus far.
Again this list is not a complete list it is only one that has been compiled thus far. Also the creatures are those that we can think of as Mystaran at the moment, although if you have arguments for or against any of them feel
free to speak out. I am half compelled just to list everywhere where a published OD&D creatures appears in 3E. Given the number of 3E publications out there it's not necessarily useless and get's around any argument of - oh wait a tick that's not really a 'Mystaran' creature.
Aranea, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 15
Athach, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 21
Blackball, Epic Level Handbook (Umbral Blot), page 223
Brain Collector (Neh-Thalggu), Epic Level Handbook, page 206 *****
Choker, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 34
Colossus of Ylourgne, Epic Level Handbook (Flesh Colossus), page 172 **
Dragon Turtle, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 88
Grangeri, Fiend Folio (Indricothere), page 100
Ice Wolf, Monster Manual I (Winter Wolf), page 256 ****
Juggernaut, Monster Manual II, page 132 *
Kopru, Monster Manual II, page 134
Manscorpion, Monster Manual II (Scorpionfolk), page 221 ***
Megatherium, Fiend Folio, page 124
Nekrozon, Monster Manual II (Catoblepas), page 41
Nightshade, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 195
Shark-kin, Monster Manual I (Sahuagin), page 217
Shedu, Fiend Folio, page 153
Strangle Vine, Monster Manual I (Assassin Vine), page 20 ****
Thoul, forthcoming Blackmoor d20 release
Titan, Monster Manual I v3.5, page 242
Tortle, Dragon issue 315, page 72
Yowler, Monster Manual I (Yeth Hound), page 260 ****
Zargon, Dragon issue 315, page 91
The dragon turtle, shedu, and titan all appeared in the 1st ed. AD&D Monster Manual (1979) before appearing in OD&D products.
Originally posted by Cthulhudrew
Well, LJN was the toy company licensed by TSR, Inc. to make the AD&D action figures, but the product identity listing in XL-1 designates that "... all character and monster names designated by TM are trademarks owned by TSR, Inc." So, they are actually owned and trademarked by TSR, and not LJN. (Interestingly, though, the Roper isn't trademarked, nor is the Dragonfly. I'd guess that they couldn't tm "dragonfly" as it is too generic a name, but Roper? Dunno.)
The Roper was part of a separate AD&D toyline by TSR, geared towards the hobby market, different from the action figures that had the Hook Horror and Dragonne, which was produced by LJN and geared for children. The actual trademarked name is "Raging Roper." (page 21 "You may use the RAGING ROPER(tm) Bendable Monster produced by TSR, Inc. for this encounter.") Since the toy's official name was not "roper" but "raging roper," the trademark declaration isn't necessary unless referring to the toy by the name "raging roper." There were no toys of the Dragonfly, therefore no trademark was necessary.
Originally posted by Cthulhudrew
Anyway, my guess is that they Trademarked the Dragonne and Hook Horror specifically because they were being used in an alternative medium (toys, in this case) outside of the rpg game (which they would have already have trademarked, I think, simply due to publication). Doesn't explain the lack of TM for certain things (like the Roper, for instance), nor does it explain why they trademarked them in the reprinted stats in the Master DM's module. (FWIW, they are not explicitly TM'd in either Creature Catalog. At least not with the individual TM- they are only trademarked in the product identity section at the beginning of the books.)
That's almost it. Trademarks are use to protect a product identity...in other words, you "reserve" the use of that name in that market. In this case, they were "reserving" the names "Hook Horror" and "Dragonne" for the toy market. Trademarks have a finite lifespan and have to be renewed on a periodic cycle...this is why re-released toys sometimes end up having different names (like the re-released Transformers character Hot Rod...there was already another toy trademarked with that name so Hasbro had to come up with a new name for the character).
You don't trademark text in a book (that's copyrighted), so merely being in a D&D book does not make it trademarked. Unlike a copyright, which exists the minute you write something, trademarks have to be declared in a specified market (and preferably registered). They only use the (TM) in the module when they refer to using the toy. I.E. "this area contains six hook horrors. You may use the HOOK HORROR(tm) Monster produced by LJN Toys, Ltd. for this encounter." (page 11). Since they're mentioning the toy, they have to let the reader know that toy's name is trademarked. Kind of silly, but that's how trademarks work.
As a side note, LJN went out of business in the mid-nineties after making a string of horrible licensed video games for the NES, SNES, and Genesis consoles.
Originally posted by stanles
covering the devils or demosn of one campaign setting and the immortals of Mystara whilst it migth not be part of the answer to this question would have to be looked at somewhere else in a FAQ however.
The Demogorgon and Orcus that appeared in the Immortals boxed set were derivitives of the Demogorgon and Orcus that appeared in the 1e AD&D Monster Manual--the artwork even depicts them the same. And technically, immortals of entropy are called demons (at least, in the Immortals boxed set they were).
Originally posted by Spellweaver
Well, this is a long thread and I cannot keep all the names in the various posts in my head, so I would just like to share what I always thought was the case:
That monsters originally appearing for the first time in one of the B, X, C or M series modules (and therefore "belonging" to Mystara) were collected into the old 0D&D Creature Catalogue supplement. (along with a few species of normal and giant animals). This is true of such creatures as Faedorne, the Juggernaut, the Kal-Muru, the Magen, the Silver Warrior, the Soul Eater, the Crone of Chaos, the Garl, the Hephaeston, the Kara-Kara and the Grey Philosopher to name but a few.
And it was my impression that the monsters in the old red, blue, greyblue and black boxed set DMs books were "standard" D&D and later AD&D monsters; that being the case with the mountain giant and Banshee if I am not very much mistaken... These monsters were never limited to Mystara AFAIK.
:-) Jesper
Originally posted by stanles
Whilst that's a good place to start creatures like the druj and odic, off the top of my head, are ones that I doubt have been taken up widely in other pulbished campaign worlds elsewhere. Similarly the thoul seems to illicit in a number of people an impression that it is moreso a Mystaran monster. Overall these will probably prove to be the exception rather than the rule and your definition of standard and non-standard is probably a good place to start.
Actually the best way to do it is this:
Mystara or "The Known World," did not exist until Isle of Dread was published in 1981. Prior to that, Greyhawk was the world of OD&D...the Known World/Mystara was basically created because Greyhawk became the world of 1st ed. AD&D. Therefore a good rule of thumb is that any monster that appeared in a OD&D product prior to Isle of Dread's publication should not be considered uniquely Mystaran *UNLESS* it was never used in any AD&D product up until the point that Mystara became an AD&D 2nd ed. campaign setting in 1994. (So monsters like the thoul, from the Basic set, could be considered Mystaran because even though it predated X1, it didn't get converted to AD&D until the 2nd ed. Mystara Monstrous Compendium was published in '94). Sound good?
Originally posted by Bluebomber4evr
Actually the best way to do it is this:
Mystara or "The Known World," did not exist until Isle of Dread was published in 1981. Prior to that, Greyhawk was the world of OD&D...the Known World/Mystara was basically created because Greyhawk became the world of 1st ed. AD&D. Therefore a good rule of thumb is that any monster that appeared in a OD&D product prior to Isle of Dread's publication should not be considered uniquely Mystaran *UNLESS* it was never used in any AD&D product up until the point that Mystara became an AD&D 2nd ed. campaign setting in 1994. (So monsters like the thoul, from the Basic set, could be considered Mystaran because even though it predated X1, it didn't get converted to AD&D until the 2nd ed. Mystara Monstrous Compendium was published in '94). Sound good?
It sounds like having access to a bit too much games material that I don't have, and all seems a bit pointless anyway. So when I get back to this list I'll just go with any creature that appeared under basic D&D definition and try adn find it in 3E. Of course this will be a much larger task and so probably won't see fruition for quite some time.
Originally posted by stanles
It sounds like having access to a bit too much games material that I don't have, and all seems a bit pointless anyway. So when I get back to this list I'll just go with any creature that appeared under basic D&D definition and try adn find it in 3E. Of course this will be a much larger task and so probably won't see fruition for quite some time.
How about instead of making a list of monsters that are exclusive to Mystara, we make the list of monsters that are commonly associated with Mystara.
The list could include:
- Monsters from the AD&D Mystara Monsterous Compendium
- Monsters from the Savage Coast Monsterous Compendium
- Monsters from the AC9 Creature Catalogue
- Monsters from the Revised Creature Catalogue
- Monsters from RC that aren't considered common to all settings (I.E. Thouls, Gemstone Dragons, Drakes etc)
- Monsters from the Menzter Edition D&D boxed sets that didn't make it over to the RC (I.e. Blackball, Faerie)
- Monsters from the Gaz, PC series and other Mystara products.
This way, the list would not include generic monsters like Orcs, Goblins and Chromatic Dragons etc. Note that many of the products above have a considerable overlap, but i included them all since none overlap completely.
Just a thought.
Havard
by Havard
How about instead of making a list of monsters that are exclusive to Mystara, we make the list of monsters that are commonly associated with Mystara.
This sounds like a reasonable, and useful approach to me, and I think Shawn is trying to lean this way now anyhow. As for me, this is what I did when creating my monster database for Mystara. The whole point is to be able to find a creature that was placed on Mystara in a 3E format, right?
Originally posted by Hugin
This sounds like a reasonable, and useful approach to me, and I think Shawn is trying to lean this way now anyhow. As for me, this is what I did when creating my monster database for Mystara. The whole point is to be able to find a creature that was placed on Mystara in a 3E format, right?
yes that's where I'm definitely starting to lean as it will save us from pointless discussions of creature X being published in book Y that came out at time Z.
And yeah that is the point, to allow people who want to go from OD&D to 3E to find creatures for their camapgins amongst the vast array of gaming supplements with enw creatures that exist already.
I think this is the thread you were talking about over on the MML. What do you think, should all of us finish this so Shawn can put in the Vaults?
He's looking to
allow people who want to go from OD&D to 3E to find creatures for their camapgins amongst the vast array of gaming supplements with enw creatures that exist already.
I can't do it right now but I'll certainly help very soon.
Hey, Havard!
I think this is the thread you were talking about over on the MML. What do you think, should all of us finish this so Shawn can put in the Vaults?
He's looking to
I can't do it right now but I'll certainly help very soon.
Hi Hugin
Thanks for posting this. Yep, this is what we were discussing on the MML. Right now I am in favor of making a list of *every* Mystara creature out there. This would take quite a bit of work, but it would be worth it, methinks. The list should include book/page references for where these creatures might be found in OD&D, AD&D2, 3.0 and 3.5.
By Mystara creature, I mean creatures who appeared in:
For OD&D:
OD&D BECMI/RC rulebooks
OD&D Modules
AC9 Creature Catalogue (Collects most of the creatures from OD&D Module published untill then)
Creature Catalogue, Revised version. (Adds a few, leaves a few out)
PC series
Gaz series
HW material
Thunder Rift series
Anything else?
For AD&D 2nd ED
K:KoA
G.KoM
Monster Manual, Mystara Appendix
Any other Mystara Specific product
3.0/3.5
No new creatures would be added here, simply conversions. For cases where the creatures seem to be dramatically changed from the original, comments can be added in footnotes or brackets.
This would be a major project, but in the end it would be a very useful one for users of all rulesets.
What do you think?
Håvard
So, Havard's idea of a complete list sounds like the way to go. If I were to organise it, I would probably go for an alphabetical index listing all the monsters from classic D&D, including all Known World and Hollow World products, AD&D Mystara and Red Steel/Savage Coast, and any 3rd Edition primary sources (Dragon magazine?). Simply provide the major references for each monster, listing by product and page number. Do this in a database and you can eventually output lists sorted by product too.
But it's easy for me to say all this since I'm too busy to help on this project anyway. ;)
Hi Hugin
Thanks for posting this. Yep, this is what we were discussing on the MML.
No problem. As I read about over on the MML I thought I'd look into it.
This would be a major project, but in the end it would be a very useful one for users of all rulesets.
What do you think?
Håvard
I agree that it would be a major project, but like you said, very useful indeed. You've presented a good starting point too. I'm going to start with that.
Simply provide the major references for each monster, listing by product and page number. Do this in a database and you can eventually output lists sorted by product too.
I already have a database (Microsoft Works Database) that lists all monsters, with terrain, size, CR, and (the reason I made it in the first place) where they are found on Mystara. I used gazes, modules, and almanacs to place creatures according to "canon", and then used that to determine the entire range for a particular creature.
It might not be too hard to start with that to do what Havard has in mind. I can't figure out how to use the format of this forum to develop this project. Well anyway, I'll start things and see how it all goes.
I already have a database (Microsoft Works Database) that lists all monsters, with terrain, size, CR, and (the reason I made it in the first place) where they are found on Mystara. I used gazes, modules, and almanacs to place creatures according to "canon", and then used that to determine the entire range for a particular creature.
It might not be too hard to start with that to do what Havard has in mind. I can't figure out how to use the format of this forum to develop this project. Well anyway, I'll start things and see how it all goes.
Cool stuff Hugin!
How about posting just the list of alle the critters here for a start? Then the rest of us can help you filling in the details...
Håvard
I am working on a very similar project right now, Bestiae Mystarae. It in essence has listed every creature from Mystara/OD&D with where to find it in 3.0/3.5 (alas no Page #'s yet). Any creatures that aren't officially converted will eventually be converted (whether from the net or by me when I've got the time). It's in Word, and in a not-so-forum-friendly form, but I see if I can post what I've got so far.
Cool stuff Hugin!
How about posting just the list of alle the critters here for a start? Then the rest of us can help you filling in the details...
Håvard
I'll look into right now, but I have to warn you that it includes all creatures in all the books that *I* have. This means it may be missing some of the OD&D creatures from Mystara (but if I am missing any, it won't be many) and also all 3E creatures that I have (such as from MMI and MMII).
Also, being in a database, it isn't very forum friendly. It sounds like Traianus has a good one going too. Hopefully we'll figure this all out.
Oh ya, and remember that the list (so far) includes creatures that are from 3E sources and may not appear in any Mystara material. I want to filter these out for the purposes of this project as well.
Edit: Addition entries added after looking through some more sources (namely the gazes, PC series, and Hollow World set with gazes.
[HTML]Abeil
Aboleth
Achaierai
Actaeon
Adaptor
Aerial Servants (Haoou)
Agarat
Allip
Allosaurus
Amber Lotus Flower
Amoeba, Giant
Animal, Prehistoric
Animated Object
Ankheg
Ankylosaurus
Annelid, Great
Ant, Giant
Antelope
Ape
Ape, Snow
Ape, White
Aranea
Archaeopteryx
Archelon
Archer Bush
Archon
Arrowhawk
Ash Crawler
Ash Rat
Asperi
Assassin Vine
Athach
Auratus
Auroch, Shaggy
Automaton
Avolakia
Azer
Baboon
Baboon, Rock
Badger
Baldandar
Baluchitherium
Banshee
Bargda
Barghest
Baric
Basilisk
Bat
Bat, Giant
Bat, Steam
Bat, Zargosian
Bear, Black
Bear, Brown
Bear, Cave
Bear, Grizzly
Bear, Polar
Bee, Giant
Beetle, Earthquake
Beetle, Giant Bombardier
Beetle, Giant Fire
Beetle, Giant Oil
Beetle, Giant Stag
Beetle, Giant Tiger
Behir
Beholder
Beholder, Aquatic
Beholder, Undead
Bekkah
Belker
Bhut
Birch Dove
Bison
Bison, Giant
Black Pudding
Blackball (Deadly Sphere, Unbral Blot)
Bladeling
Blast Spore
Blink Dog
Blood Ape
Boar
Boar, Great
Bodak
Boggle
Bogun
Bone Ooze
Boneless
Bounder
Brain Collector (Neh-Thalggu)
Braxat
Breathdrinker
Brontosaurus (Apatosaurus)
Bronze Serpent
Brownie
Brownie, Redcap
Bubbles
Buffalo
Bugbear
Bulette
Caecilia
Camarilla
Camel
Carrion Crawler
Cat
Catoblepas (Nekrozon)
Cay-Men
Celestial, Astral Deva
Celestial, Avoral (Guardinal)
Celestial, Cervidal
Celestial, Ghaele (Eladrin)
Celestial, Hound Archon
Celestial, Lantern Archon
Celestial, Lupinal
Celestial, Planetar
Celestial, Solar
Celestial, Trumpet Archon
Centaur
Centipede, Giant
Centipede, Monstrous
Chameleon Man
Changling, Zargosian
Chaos Beast
Cheetah
Chevall
Chimer
Chimer, Crystalweeds
Chimera
Chimera, Undead
Choker
Chuul
Cloaked Ape
Cloaker
Clockwork Horror
Cloud Ray
Cockatrice
Coltpixy
Corollax
Corpse Gatherer
Couatl
Crab, Giant
Crimson Death
Crocodile
Crocodile, Giant
Cryion
Cyborg
Cyclops
Dark Wing
Darkhood (Rorphyr)
Darkmantle
Darktentacles
Death Demon (Ostegos)
Death Leech
Deathbringer
Decapus, Land
Decapus, Marine
Deep Glaurant
Deer
Delver
Demon
Desert Ghost
Desmodu
Desmodu Bat
Destrachan
Devil
Devil Swine
Devourer
Diger
Digester
Dimetrodon
Dinosaur
Dire Ape
Dire Badger
Dire Bat
Dire Bear
Dire Boar
Dire Elephant
Dire Elk
Dire Hawk
Dire Horse
Dire Horse
Dire Lion
Dire Rat
Dire Shark
Dire Snake
Dire Tiger
Dire Toad
Dire Weasel
Dire Wolf
Dire Wolverine
Discorporate
Displacer Beast
Dog, Riding
Dog, Wild
Dolphin
Donkey
Doppleganger
Draeden
Dragon Turtle
Dragon, Black
Dragon, Blue
Dragon, Brass
Dragon, Bronze
Dragon, Brown
Dragon, Copper
Dragon, Gem
Dragon, Gold
Dragon, Green
Dragon, Pocket
Dragon, Red
Dragon, Sea
Dragon, Silver
Dragon, Undead
Dragon, White
Dragonfly, Black
Dragonfly, Blue
Dragonfly, Green
Dragonfly, Red
Dragonfly, White
Dragonne
Drake, Cold-
Drake, Man-
Drake, Wood-
Dread Guard
Dream-Hunter
Drider
Drolem
Dryad
Dune Stalker
Dusanu (Rot Fiend)
Dwarf
Eagle
Eagle, giant (Hiak)
Ee'aar (avariel or al-karak-elam)
Eel, Electric
Eel, Giant Electric
Eel, Giant Moray
Eel, Weed
Effigy
Elemental
Elemental Weird, Air
Elemental Weird, Earth
Elemental Weird, Fire
Elemental Weird, Water
Elephant
Elephant (Mastodon or wooly)
Elf
Elf, Aquatic
Elf, Shadow
Elk
Elk, Giant
Enduk
Ether Scarab
Ether Weird
Ethereal Doppelganger
Ethereal Filcher
Ethereal Marauder
Ethereal Slayer
Ettercap
Ettin
Faedorne
Faenare
Faerie
Falcon
Famine Spirit
Faun (Satyr)
Feathered Serpent
Felldrake
Ferret, Giant
Feywing
Fiendwurm
Fihyr
Fihyr, Great
Firbolg
Fire Bat
Fish, Gargantuan Carp
Fish, Giant Bass
Fish, Giant Cat-
Fish, Giant Cave
Fish, Giant Piranha
Fish, Giant Rock-
Fish, Giant Sturgeon
Fish, Piranha
Flapsails
Flesh Jelly
Flitterling
Fomorian
Forest Sloth
Formian
Frog, Giant Poisonous
Frost Worm
Fundamental
Fungoid
Fungus, Blackspore
Fungus, Darksnap
Fungus, Lermon
Fungus, Pearldew
Fungus, Shaman
Fungus, Shrieker
Fungus, Strider
Fungus, Trania
Fungus, Violet
Fyrsnaca
Gakarak (Forest Brooder)
Galeb Duhr
Gamboi
Gargantua
Gargoyle
Gargoyle, Iron
Garl
Gator Man
Gazelle
Gelatinous Cube
Genie, Djinni
Genie, Efreeti
Genie, Janni
Geonid
Gerbil
Ghost/Haunt
Ghostly Horde
Ghoul
Ghoul, Elder
Ghoul, Ghast
Ghoul, Vapor
Giant, Cloud
Giant, Fire
Giant, Forest
Giant, Frost
Giant, Hill
Giant, Mountian
Giant, Sea (Ocean)
Giant, Stone
Giant, Storm
Giant, Sun
Gibbering Mouther
Gibbon, White-Faced
Giraffes
Girallon
Glimmerskin
Gnoll
Gnome
Goat
Goat, Wild
Goblin
Golem
Golem, Amber
Golem, Bone
Golem, Bronze
Golem, Chain
Golem, Clay
Golem, Flesh
Golem, Ganetra
Golem, Iron
Golem, Mud
Golem, Obsidian
Golem, Rock
Golem, Silver
Golem, Stone
Golem, Wood
Gorgon
Grab Grass
Grangeri
Gravecrawler
Gravorg
Gray Ooze
Gray Philosopher
Gray Render
Grazer
Green Slime
Greenvise
Grell
Gremlin
Grick
Gridbug
Griffon
Grimalkin
Grimlock
Grizzly Mastodon
Gruquotecs
Guardian Tree (Karwana Mulumba)
Guardian Warrior & Horse
Gyerian
Hag, Annis
Hag, Black
Hag, Green
Hag, Sea
Half-Fiend, Durzagon
Halfling
Hamadryad
Harpy
Haunt, Lesser
Haunt, Poltergeist
Hawk
Hawk, Giant
Helion
Hell Hound
Hellfire Wyrm
Hephaeston
Herex
Hippogriff
Hivebrood
Hobgoblin
Homunculus
Hook Horror
Horde
Horse
Horse, Elven War
Horse, Wild
Hound, Amorian
Howler
Hsiao (Guardian Owl)
Hulker
Hydra (5 - 12 heads)
Hydra, Cryo-
Hydra, Karakos the Zargosian
Hydra, Lernaean
Hydra, Pyro-
Hydrax
Hyena
Hyenodon
Hypnosnake
Ibex
Ice Wolf (Winter Wolf)
Ichthyosaurus
Immoth
Imp, Blue
Imp, Red
Insect, Giant
Insect, Swarm
Invisible Stalker (Sshai)
Ixitxachiti (Devilfish)
Jackal
Jaguar
Jahi
Jellyfish, Agrisian
Jellyfish, Giant Man-O-War
Jellyfish, Giant Marauder
Jermlaine
Juggernaut
Julajimas
Jupiter Blood Sucker
Kal-Muru (Shipbane)
Kara-Kara
Kartoeba ("Thing in the pit")
Killer Tree
Kna
Kobold
Kopru
Kraken
Krenshar
Kryst
Kuo-Toa
Lake Klintest Monster
Lamara
Lamia
Lammasu
Lava Fish
Lava Lizard
Lava Ooze
Leech, Giant
Leechwalker
Legendary Animals
Leopard
Leprechaun
Leviathan, Desert
Leviathan, Marine
Lich
Lillend
Linnorm, Corpse Tearer
Linnorm, Dread
Linnorm, Gray
Lion
Lion, Spotted
Living Statue, Crystal
Living Statue, Iron
Living Statue, Jade
Living Statue, Rock
Living Statue, Rock/Ooze
Living Statue, Silver
Living Statue, Steel
Lizard
Lizard, Chameleon
Lizard, Giant
Lizard, Giant Draco
Lizard, Giant Foot-Pad
Lizard, Giant Gecko
Lizard, Giant Horned Chameleon
Lizard, Giant Tuatara
Lizard, Rockhome
Lizard, Thumper
Lizardfolk/Lizard Man
Locathah
Lochnar
Locust, Giant
Loxo
Lupin
Lyadrachnus
Lynx
Magen
Magmin
Magpie
Magpie, Giant
Malfera
Manikin (Mandragora)
Manscorpion (scorpionfolk)
Manta Ray
Manta Ray, Giant
Manticore
Marrash
Masher
Medusa
Meenlock
Megalodon
Megapede
Megatherium
Mek
Memory Gourd
Mephit, Air
Mephit, Dust
Mephit, Earth
Mephit, Fire
Mephit, Ice
Mephit, Magma
Mephit, Ooze
Mephit, Salt
Mephit, Steam
Mephit, Water
Merfolk (Merrow)
Mesmer
Metamorph
Mimic
Mind Flayer
Minotaur
Moan Bird
Mohrg
Monkey
Monkey, Giant Marmoset
Moonbeast
Mooncalf
Moonflower
Moonrat
Moose
Morkoth
Mountian Lion (Cougar, Puma)
Mudmaw
Mugumba Mud-Dwellers
Mujina
Mule
Mummy
Myconid
Naga, Bone
Naga, Dark
Naga, Guardian
Naga, Spirit
Naga, Water
Nagpa
Neanderthal
Needlefolk
Neogi
Nethersight Mastiff
Night Hag
Nightgleet
Nightmare
Nightmare Beast
Nightshade, Nightcrawler
Nightshade, Nightwalker
Nightshade, Nightwing
Nimblewright
Nothosaurus
Nuckalvee
Nymph
Oard
Ocean Strider
Ochre Jelly
Octopus
Octopus, Giant
Ogre
Ogre, Mage
Orc
Orc Wort
Ormyrr
Otyugh
Owl
Owl, giant
Owlbear
Oyster, Giant
Pachycephalosaurus
Pachydermion
Panther
Pegasus
Pegataur
Phanaton
Phantom
Phantom Fungus
Phantom, Apparition
Phantom, lesser
Phantom, Shade
Phantom, Vision
Phase Spider
Phase Wasp
Phasm
Phobosuchus
Phoenix
Phororhacos (Sword Beak)
Pig, Peccary
Pig, Wild
Piranha Bird
Pisanosaurus
Planetouched
Planetouched, Aasimar
Planetouched, Tiefling
Plasm
Plasm, Giant
Plesiosaurus
Ploppeds
Pocket Dragon
Polymar
Ponies, Krugel
Pony
Pooka
Porcupine, Giant
Porpoise
Praying Mantis, Giant
Protean, Astral
Protectors
Pseudodragon
Psurlon
Pteranodon
Pteranodon, Giant
Pterodactyl
Pterosaur
Purple Moss
Purple Worm
Quarg
Ragewind
Raggamoffyn
Rakasta
Rakshasa
Rampager
Randara
Rast
Rat
Rat, Giant
Raven/Crow
Ravid
Reason Stealer
Red Sundew
Red Worm
Refractor
Reindeer, Giant
Remorhaz
Revener
Rhagodessa
Rhinoceros
Roaring Demon (Alphaks)
Robber Fly
Robot
Roc
Roc, Chaos
Rock Man
Rockfang
Rogue Eidolon
Roper
Rukarazyll
Runic Guardian
Rust Monster
Saberclaw
Saber-Tooth Tiger
Sacrol
Salamander, Fire
Salamander, Flame
Salamander, Flamebrother
Salamander, Frost
Salamander, Nobel
Sand Folk
Sand-star
Sandworm
Sasquatch
Scamille
Scorpion
Scorpion, Giant
Scorpion, Monstrous
Sea Cat (Lion)
Sea Horse
Sea Serpent
Seergar
Serpentweed, Giant
Shadow
Shadow Mastiff
Shadow Spider
Shambling Mound
Shargugh
Shark, Bull
Shark, Great White
Shark, Huge
Shark, Large
Shark, Mako
Shark, Medium
Shark, Vamora
Shark-Kin (Sahuagin)
Sheep
Shield Guardian
Shocker Lizard
Shrew, Giant
Sidhe ("sh-ee")
Silk-Spider
Silver Warrior
Sirenflower
Sirine
Sis'thik (Desert Scourge)
Skeletal Beast
Skeleton
Skinwings
Skitterlings
Skum
Skunk
Skunk, Giant
Slaad, Blue
Slaad, Death
Slaad, Gray
Slaad, Green
Slaad, Red
Slime Worm
Slug, Giant
Snail, Giant
Snake
Snake, Anaconda
Snake, Black Cobra
Snake, Dune Viper
Snake, Flying Viper
Snake, Giant Boa
Snake, Giant Marble
Snake, Giant Racer
Snake, Giant Rattle-
Snake, Giant Rock Rattler
Snake, Pit Viper
Snake, Rainbow Viper (Musoke Fitina)
Snake, Rock Python
Snake, Sea
Snake, Spitting Cobra
Snake, Tik Polonga
Snake, White Cobra
Snakemen
Snapper
Sollux (Sun Brother)
Somnastis Plant
Soul Eater
Spawn of Kyuss
Spectral Hound
Spectre
Spell Weaver
Spellgaunt
Sphinx, Andro-
Sphinx, Crio-
Sphinx, Gyno-
Sphinx, Hieraco-
Spider
Spider Eater
Spider, Giant
Spider, Giant Black Widow
Spider, Giant Crab
Spider, Giant Hunting
Spider, Giant Sand
Spider, Giant Shroud
Spider, Giant Tarantella
Spider, Huge Wood
Spider, Monstrous
Spider, Planar
Spirit, Animal
Spirit, Druj
Spirit, Evil
Spirit, Lord
Spirit, Nature (Spirit of the Land)
Spirit, Odic
Spirit, Revenant
Sporacle
Sprackles
Sprite
Sprite, Grig
Sprite, Nixie
Sprite, Pixie
Squid
Squid, Giant
Steam Weevil
Stegosaurus
Stirge
Stone Spike
Strangle Vine (use assassin vine)
Strangleweed
Sun-Wight
Surtaki
Swamplight Lynx
Swan
Sylph
Tabi
Tanystropheus
Tarrasque
Tempest
Tendriculos
Tepictoton
Teratomorph
Termite, Giant Land
Termite, Giant Water
Thoqqua
Thoul
Thri-Kreen
Thunderhead
Tiger
Tiger, Ebon
Titan
Titanothere
Toad, Giant
Toad, Rock/Cave
Tojanida
Topi
Tortle
Trachodon
Treant
Triceratops
Triton
Troglodyte
Troll
Turtle, Giant
Twig Blight
Tylosaurus
Tyrannosaurus Rex
Tzitzimitl
Ubue
Umber Hulk
Undine
Unicorn
Vampire
Vampire Rose
Vampire Spawn
Vampire, Nosferatu
Vaporighu
Vargouille
Velya
Wallara (Chameleonmen)
Wasp, Giant
Water Weird
Weasel, Giant
Werebat
Werebear
Wereboar
Werefox
Werejaguar
Wererat
Were-sabretooth
Wereseal
Wereshark
Weretiger
Werewolf
Whale, Baleen
Whale, Cachalot (Sperm)
Whale, Narwhal
Whale, Orca
Whipweed
White-Fang
Wight
Wildcat
Will-O'-Wisp
Windghost
Winged Warrior
Wolf
Wolfsbane
Wolverine
Wood Imp
Worg
Wraith
Wychglow
Wychlamp
Wyrd
Wyste
Wyvern
Xill
Xorn
Xytar
Yak
Yak Folk
Yellow Mold
Yowler (Yeth Hound)
Yrthak
Yuan-Ti
Yugoloth
Zebra
Zombie
Zombie, Frost-
Zombie, Lightning
Zzonga-Bush
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Nearly forgot, this may help as well: OD&D Creature List
Regards,
Gary
Good catch on the Water Weird, Cravensson. That kind of info will be good to have.
This is a list of creatures from the OD&D Basic Set that appear in either the 3.5 Monster Manual or the 3.0 Monster Manual II.
[HTML]Ant, Giant MM 284
Bat MM 268
Bear, Black MM 269
Bear, Polar MM 269
Bee, Giant MM 284
Beetle, Giant Fire MM 285
Boar MM 270
Bugbear MM 29
Carrion Crawler MM 30
Dire Wolf MM 62
Doppleganger MM 67
Dragon, Black MM 70
Dragon, Blue MM 72
Dragon, Gold MM 84
Dragon, Green MM 74
Dragon, Red MM 75
Dragon, White MM 77
Elf MM 101
Fungus, Shrieker MM 113
Gargoyle MM 113
Gelatinous Cube MM 201
Ghoul MM 118
Gnoll MM 130
Gnome MM 131
Goblin MM 133
Gray Ooze MM 202
Halfling MM 149
Harpy MM 150
Hobgoblin MM 153
Kobold MM 161
Lion MM 274
Lizardfolk/Lizard Man MM 169
Medusa MM 180
Minotaur MM 188
Mule MM 276
Ochre Jelly MM 202
Ogre MM 198
Orc MM 203
Owlbear MM 206
Panther MM 274
Rat MM 278
Rust Monster MM 216
Shadow MM 221
Skeleton MM 225
Sprite, Pixie MM 236
Stirge MM 236
Troglodyte MM 246
Werebear MM 170
Wereboar MM 171
Wererat MM 171
Weretiger MM 172
Werewolf MM 173
Wight MM 255
Wolf MM 283
Zombie MM 265[/HTML]
This is a list of creatures from the OD&D Expert Set that appear in either the 3.5 Monster Manual or the 3.0 Monster Manual II.
[HTML]Basilisk MM 23
Black Pudding MM 201
Blink Dog MM 28
Camel MM 270
Centaur MM 32
Chimera MM 34
Cockatrice MM 37
Crocodile MM 271
Crocodile, Giant MM 271
Displacer Beast MM 66
Dryad MM 90
Elemental MM 98
Elephant MM 272
Genie, Djinni MM 114
Genie, Efreeti MM 115
Giant, Cloud MM 120
Giant, Fire MM 121
Giant, Frost MM 122
Giant, Hill MM 123
Giant, Stone MM 124
Giant, Storm MM 125
Gorgon MM 137
Griffon MM 139
Hell Hound MM 151
Hippogriff MM 152
Horse MM 273
Hydra (5 - 12 heads) MM 155
Invisible Stalker (Sshai) MM 160
Manticore MM 179
Merfolk MM 185
Mummy MM 190
Pegasus MM 206
Purple Worm MM 211
Roc MM 215
Salamander, Frost MMII 107
Spectre MM 232
Sprite, Nixie MM 235
Treant MM 244
Troll MM 247
Unicorn MM 249
Vampire MM 250
Wraith MM 257
Wyvern MM 259[/HTML]
This is a list of creatures from the OD&D Master Set that appear in either the 3.5 Monster Manual or the 3.0 Monster Manual II.
[HTML]Athach MM 21
Devilfish (Ixitxachiti) MMII 128
Dinosaur MMII 70
Dragon, Gem MMII 77
Giant, Mountian MMII 109
Giant, Sea (Ocean) MMII 109
Hag, Sea MM 144
Lich MM 166
Nekrozon (Catoblepas) MMII 41
Nightshade, Nightcrawler MM 195
Nightshade, Nightwalker MM 196
Nightshade, Nightwing MM 197
Phoenix MMII 168
Sphinx, Andro- MM 232[/HTML]
This is a list of creatures from the OD&D Companion Set that appear in either the 3.5 Monster Manual or the 3.0 Monster Manual II.
[HTML]Banshee MMII 30
Beholder MM 25
Dragon Turtle MM 88
Genie, Djinni MM 114
Genie, Efreeti MM 115
Manscorpion (scorpionfolk) MMII 221
Phasm MM 208
Whale, Cachalot (Sperm) MM 283
Whale, Orca MM 283[/HTML]
This is a list of creatures from the OD&D DMR2 – Creature Catalog that appear in either the 3.5 Monster Manual or the 3.0 Monster Manual II.
[HTML]Aranea MM 15
Banshee MMII 30
Cheetah MM 271
Choker MM 34
Dinosaur MMII 70
Dog, Riding MM 272
Dragonne MM 89
Eagle MM 272
Eagle, giant MM 93
Elf MM 101
Hawk MM 273
Homunculus MM 154
Hook Horror MMII 126
Ice Wolf (Winter Wolf) MM 256
Juggernaut MMII 132
Kopru MMII 134
Kraken MM 162
Leviathan, Marine MMII 139
Nightmare MM 194
Octopus, Giant MM 276
Owl, giant MM 205
Raven/Crow MM 278
Rhinoceros MM 278
Roper MM 215
Spider, Giant Hunting MM 288
Squid, Giant MM 281
Strangle Vine MM 20 (assassine vine)
Triton MM 245
Yeth Hound (Yowler) MM 260[/HTML]
There's obviously a lot more work to do, but at least it's a start. Any additions/corrections/suggestions would be great.
That's a good start Hugin. I'll compare it to my list and post creatures from some of the other sources as soon as my home internet connection decides to play nice.
Indeed!
Very good job! What we need now is a list of all the monsters ever made for OD&D. I'm wondering if something like that doesn't exist already....
Also, the Thunder Rift series included OD&D monsters that were never detailed anywhere else...
Håvard
Very good job! What we need now is a list of all the monsters ever made for OD&D. I'm wondering if something like that doesn't exist already....
I doubt it covers every monster but there is of course the thread I posted earlier: OD&D Creature List :D
Gary
I doubt it covers every monster but there is of course the thread I posted earlier: OD&D Creature List :D
I forgot to check this link earlier Gary, thanks for reminding me. Wow, this is pretty impressive!
Håvard
What we need now is a list of all the monsters ever made for OD&D. I'm wondering if something like that doesn't exist already....
It would be nice if it did, but it wouldn't be too hard to do actually. Because all these critters are in a database I could filter them out by source (once I finish inputting those of course; I didn't have it originally set up for that).
Oh, and Gary, that link proved very helpful since I don't have all the products it lists creatures for.
You know guys, this isn't going to be too hard. The more I think about it the more I'm convinced we can pull this off. The hardest part is the presentation but hopefully someone will figure something out.
Beholder: Aquatic AC9, DMR2 "Eye of the Deep" in Lords of Madness
Beholder: Undead “Death Tyrant” RC Forgotten Realms Campaign Sourcebook
Bhut AC9, DMR2 Fiend Folio (This version is more powerful than the original)
Blast Spore RC "Gas Spore" in Lords of Madness
Brain Collector "Neh-Thalggu" AC9, DMR2 Epic Level Handbook
Elephant: Mammoth, Woolly HW Monster Manual 3 as Mastodon
Golem:Ice Quest for the Silver Sword Frostburn
Golem:Mud RC Monster Manual III
Lycanthrope: Wereseal RC "Selkie" in Fiend Folio
Lycanthrope: Wereshark RC Monsters of Faerun, Lost Empires of Faerun (?)
Manscorpion RC MM2 as Scorpionfolk or Monsters of Faerun as Stinger
Reindeer, Giant HW Larger version of Frostburn Caribou
Sasquatch RC "Yeti" from Frostburn except change Environ. to temp. forest.
Spirit (Undead):Revenant RC Monsters oF Faerun (may be too different)
Caribou Herd RC Frostburn
Deer Herd RC Forgotten Realms Silver Marches Sourcebook
Elk Herd RC Forgotten Realms Silver Marches Sourcebook
Megatherium AC9, DMR2 Fiend Folio
Saber-tooth Tiger RC "Smilodon" in Frostburn
Pteranodon RC, HW Serpent Kingdoms Sourcebook
Dimetrodon DMR2 Dragon Magazine, Issue #318
Pachycephalosaurus HW Dragon Magazine, Issue #318
Pack Lizard MMC Forgotten Realms Campaign Sourcebook.
Raven/Crow, Giant AC9, DMR2 Silver Marches’ Sourcebook.
Viper:Flying HW Forgotten Realms Campaign Sourcebook
That's all I've seen in a quick look through and I apologize for the formatting- it works in my document a whole lot better.
Here is a list of other OD&D Creatures with official 3.5E conversions:
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That's all I've seen in a quick look through and I apologize for the formatting- it works in my document a whole lot better.
Good stuff. I only have the 3.5 MM and MMII (3.0 of course) as far as third edition books with creatures go, so this info is a must.
Formatting is a major pain in the
, isn't it!Also, the list of all creatures a number of posts ago, has been updated.
[HTML]Actaeon
Adaptor
Aerial Servants (Haoou)
Agarat
Allosaurus
Amber Lotus Flower
Amoeba, Giant
Animal, Prehistoric
Ankylosaurus
Annelid, Great
Ant, Giant
Antelope
Ape, Snow
Ape, White
Aranea
Archaeopteryx
Archelon
Archer Bush
Archon
Ash Crawler
Athach
Auratus
Auroch, Shaggy
Automaton
Baboon, Rock
Baldandar
Baluchitherium
Banshee
Bargda
Baric
Basilisk
Bat
Bat, Giant
Bat, Steam
Bat, Zargosian
Bear, Black
Bear, Cave
Bear, Grizzly
Bear, Polar
Bee, Giant
Beetle, Earthquake
Beetle, Giant Fire
Beetle, Giant Oil
Beetle, Giant Tiger
Beholder
Beholder, Aquatic
Beholder, Undead
Bekkah
Bhut
Birch Dove
Bison, Giant
Black Pudding
Blackball (Deadly Sphere, Unbral Blot)
Blast Spore
Blink Dog
Boar
Boar, Great
Boneless
Bounder
Brain Collector (Neh-Thalggu)
Brontosaurus (Apatosaurus)
Brownie
Brownie, Redcap
Bubbles
Bugbear
Caecilia
Camarilla
Camel, Bactrian (two-humped)
Camel, Dromedary (one-humped)
Caribou
Carrion Crawler
Cat
Cay-Men
Centaur
Centipede, Giant
Chameleon Man
Changling, Zargosian
Cheetah
Chevall
Chimer
Chimer, Crystalweeds
Chimera
Chimera, Undead
Choker
Cockatrice
Coltpixy
Crab, Giant
Crocodile
Crocodile, Giant
Crone of Chaos
Cryion
Cyborg
Cyclops
Dark Wing
Darkhood (Rorphyr)
Death Demon (Ostegos)
Death Leech
Decapus, Land
Decapus, Marine
Deep Glaurant
Deer
Desert Ghost
Devil Swine
Devilfish (Ixitxachiti)
Diger
Dimetrodon
Dinosaur
Dire Wolf
Discorporate
Displacer Beast
Dog, Riding
Dog, Wild
Dolphin
Doppleganger
Draeden
Dragon Turtle
Dragon, Black
Dragon, Blue
Dragon, Brown
Dragon, Gem
Dragon, Gold
Dragon, Green
Dragon, Pocket
Dragon, Red
Dragon, Sea
Dragon, Undead
Dragon, White
Dragonfly, Black
Dragonfly, Blue
Dragonfly, Green
Dragonfly, Red
Dragonfly, White
Dragonne
Drake, Cold-
Drake, Man-
Drake, Wood-
Dream-Hunter
Drolem
Dryad
Dusanu (Rot Fiend)
Dwarf
Eagle
Eagle, giant (Hiak)
Ee'aar (avariel or al-karak-elam)
Eel, Electric
Eel, Giant Electric
Eel, Weed
Elemental
Elephant
Elephant (Mastodon or wooly)
Elf
Elf, Aquatic
Elf, Shadow
Elk
Elk, Giant
Enduk
Ether Weird
Faedorne
Faenare
Faerie
Falcon
Faun (Satyr)
Feathered Serpent
Ferret, Giant
Feywing
Fish, Gargantuan Carp
Fish, Giant Bass
Fish, Giant Cat-
Fish, Giant Piranha
Fish, Giant Rock-
Fish, Giant Sturgeon
Fish, Piranha
Flapsails
Flitterling
Frog, Giant Poisonous
Fundamental
Fungoid
Fungus, Blackspore
Fungus, Darksnap
Fungus, Lermon
Fungus, Pearldew
Fungus, Shaman
Fungus, Shrieker
Fungus, Strider
Fungus, Trania
Fyrsnaca
Gakarak (Forest Brooder)
Gargantua
Gargoyle
Gargoyle, Iron
Garl
Gator Man
Gelatinous Cube
Genie, Djinni
Genie, Efreeti
Geonid
Gerbil
Ghost/Haunt
Ghostly Horde
Ghoul
Ghoul, Elder
Ghoul, Vapor
Giant, Cloud
Giant, Fire
Giant, Frost
Giant, Hill
Giant, Mountian
Giant, Sea (Ocean)
Giant, Stone
Giant, Storm
Gnoll
Gnome
Goat
Goat, Wild
Goblin
Golem, Amber
Golem, Bone
Golem, Bronze
Golem, Ganetra
Golem, Mud
Golem, Obsidian
Golem, Rock
Golem, Silver
Golem, Wood
Gorgon
Grab Grass
Grangeri
Gray Ooze
Gray Philosopher
Grazer
Green Slime
Gremlin
Gridbug
Griffon
Gruquotecs
Guardian Tree (Karwana Mulumba)
Guardian Warrior & Horse
Gyerian
Hag, Black
Hag, Sea
Halfling
Harpy
Haunt, Lesser
Haunt, Poltergeist
Hawk
Hawk, Giant
Helion
Hell Hound
Hephaeston
Herex
Hippogriff
Hivebrood
Hobgoblin
Homunculus
Hook Horror
Horde
Horse
Horse, Elven War
Hound, Amorian
Hsiao (Guardian Owl)
Hulker
Hydra (5 - 12 heads)
Hydra, Karakos the Zargosian
Hydrax
Hyenodon
Hypnosnake
Ice Wolf (Winter Wolf)
Ichthyosaurus
Imp, Blue
Imp, Red
Insect, Swarm
Invisible Stalker (Sshai)
Jaguar
Jellyfish, Agrisian
Jellyfish, Giant Man-O-War
Jellyfish, Giant Marauder
Juggernaut
Jupiter Blood Sucker
Kal-Muru (Shipbane)
Kara-Kara
Kartoeba ("Thing in the pit")
Killer Tree
Kna
Kobold
Kopru
Kraken
Kryst
Lake Klintest Monster
Lamara
Lava Fish
Lava Lizard
Lava Ooze
Leech, Giant
Leprechaun
Leviathan, Desert
Leviathan, Marine
Lich
Lion
Lion, Spotted
Living Statue, Crystal
Living Statue, Iron
Living Statue, Jade
Living Statue, Rock
Living Statue, Rock/Ooze
Living Statue, Silver
Living Statue, Steel
Lizard, Chameleon
Lizard, Giant Draco
Lizard, Giant Foot-Pad
Lizard, Giant Gecko
Lizard, Giant Horned Chameleon
Lizard, Giant Tuatara
Lizard, Rockhome
Lizard, Thumper
Lizardfolk/Lizard Man
Lochnar
Locust, Giant
Lupin
Lyadrachnus
Lynx
Magen
Magpie
Magpie, Giant
Malfera
Manikin (Mandragora)
Manscorpion (scorpionfolk)
Manta Ray
Manta Ray, Giant
Manticore
Masher
Medusa
Megatherium
Mek
Memory Gourd
Merfolk (Merrow)
Mesmer
Metamorph
Minotaur
Moan Bird
Monkey
Monkey, Giant Marmoset
Moonflower
Moose
Mountian Lion (Cougar, Puma)
Mugumba Mud-Dwellers
Mujina
Mule
Mummy
Nagpa
Neanderthal
Nekrozon (Catoblepas)
Nightgleet
Nightmare
Nightshade, Nightcrawler
Nightshade, Nightwalker
Nightshade, Nightwing
Nothosaurus
Nuckalvee
Oard
Ochre Jelly
Octopus, Giant
Ogre
Orc
Owl
Owl, giant
Owlbear
Oyster, Giant
Pachycephalosaurus
Pachydermion
Panther
Pegasus
Pegataur
Phanaton
Phantom
Phantom, Apparition
Phantom, lesser
Phantom, Shade
Phantom, Vision
Phasm
Phobosuchus
Phoenix
Phororhacos (Sword Beak)
Pig, Peccary
Pig, Wild
Piranha Bird
Pisanosaurus
Plasm
Plasm, Giant
Plesiosaurus
Ploppeds
Pocket Dragon
Polymar
Ponies, Krugel
Pooka
Porcupine, Giant
Protean, Astral
Protectors
Pteranodon
Pteranodon, Giant
Pterodactyl
Pterosaur
Purple Moss
Purple Worm
Quarg
Rakasta
Randara
Rat
Rat, Giant
Raven/Crow
Raven/Crow, Giant
Red Worm
Refractor
Reindeer, Giant
Revener
Rhagodessa
Rhinoceros
Roaring Demon (Alphaks)
Robber Fly
Robot
Roc
Rock Man
Rockfang
Roper
Rust Monster
Saberclaw
Saber-Tooth Tiger
Sacrol
Salamander, Flame
Salamander, Frost
Sand Folk
Sand-star
Sasquatch
Scamille
Scorpion
Scorpion, Giant
Sea Horse
Sea Serpent
Seergar
Serpentweed, Giant
Shadow
Shargugh
Shark, Bull
Shark, Great White
Shark, Mako
Shark, Vamora
Shark-Kin (Sahuagin)
Sheep
Shrew, Giant
Sidhe ("sh-ee")
Silk-Spider
Silver Warrior
Sirenflower
Sis'thik (Desert Scourge)
Skeletal Beast
Skeleton
Skinwings
Skitterlings
Skunk
Skunk, Giant
Slime Worm
Slug, Giant
Snail, Giant
Snake
Snake, Anaconda
Snake, Black Cobra
Snake, Dune Viper
Snake, Flying Viper
Snake, Giant Boa
Snake, Giant Marble
Snake, Giant Racer
Snake, Giant Rattle-
Snake, Giant Rock Rattler
Snake, Pit Viper
Snake, Rainbow Viper (Musoke Fitina)
Snake, Rock Python
Snake, Sea
Snake, Spitting Cobra
Snake, Tik Polonga
Snake, White Cobra
Snakemen
Snapper
Sollux (Sun Brother)
Somnastis Plant
Soul Eater
Spectral Hound
Spectre
Sphinx, Andro-
Spider, Giant Black Widow
Spider, Giant Crab
Spider, Giant Hunting
Spider, Giant Sand
Spider, Giant Shroud
Spider, Giant Tarantella
Spider, Huge Wood
Spider, Planar
Spirit, Animal
Spirit, Druj
Spirit, Evil
Spirit, Lord
Spirit, Nature (Spirit of the Land)
Spirit, Odic
Spirit, Revenant
Sporacle
Sprackles
Sprite
Sprite, Nixie
Sprite, Pixie
Squid, Giant
Steam Weevil
Stegosaurus
Stirge
Strangle Vine
Strangleweed
Sun-Wight
Surtaki
Swan
Tabi
Tanystropheus
Tepictoton
Termite, Giant Water
Thoul
Thunderhead
Tiger
Titan
Titanothere
Toad, Giant
Toad, Rock/Cave
Topi
Tortle
Trachodon
Treant
Triceratops
Triton
Troglodyte
Troll
Tylosaurus
Tyrannosaurus Rex
Tzitzimitl
Ubue
Undine
Unicorn
Vampire
Vampire Rose
Vampire, Nosferatu
Velya
Wallara (Chameleonmen)
Water Weird
Weasel, Giant
Werebat
Werebear
Wereboar
Werefox
Werejaguar
Wererat
Were-sabretooth
Wereseal
Wereshark
Weretiger
Werewolf
Whale, Cachalot (Sperm)
Whale, Narwhal
Whale, Orca
Whipweed
White-Fang
Wight
Wildcat
Winged Warrior
Wolf
Wolfsbane
Wood Imp
Wraith
Wychglow
Wychlamp
Wyrd
Wyvern
Xytar
Yak
Yellow Mold
Yowler (Yeth Hound)
Zebra
Zombie
Zombie, Frost-
Zombie, Lightning
Zzonga-Bush
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If not, Tome of Horrors has the following:
Aerial Servant
Archer Bush
Baric
Brownie
Decapus
Wood Golem
Haunt
Giant Leech
Mandragora
Soul Eater
Strangleweed
Vampire Rose
Regards,
Gary
Are we just talking WotC books?
If not, Tome of Horrors has the following:
Aerial Servant
Archer Bush
Baric
Brownie
Decapus
Wood Golem
Haunt
Giant Leech
Mandragora
Soul Eater
Strangleweed
Vampire Rose
Regards,
Gary
I don't think there's any reason to restrict ourselves to WotC. It might be nice to note the publisher, however, and if you can, would you be able to post the page numbers?
(I don't know anything about this stuff!)Disclaimer: Please note that the 3E versions of some of the OD&D creatures will be dissimilar to their original concepts. Some of the 3E references will note such differences, however, these notes are not inclusive. Information on the accuracy of the 3E versions to their OD&D counterparts would be appreciated and may be posted on this forum.
[HTML]Letter “A” List of Creatures
Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Actaeon --- MA, RC 156 --- VoP
Adaptor --- MA, IM1 38, RC 157 ---
Aerial Servant (Haoou) --- CO, RC 157 --- ToH 5
Agarat --- X8 27 --- VoP
Allosaurus --- X1 30, DMR2 29, HW 20 --- VoP
Amber Lotus Flower --- X2 24, X9 27, DMR2 8 ---
Amoeba, Giant --- X2 24, X9 27, DMR2 8 ---
Ankylosaurus --- X1 30, DMR2 29, HW 21 --- MHB, VoP
Annelid, Great --- DMR2 10, HWA1 62 ---
Ant, Giant --- BA, RC 157 --- MM 284
Antelope --- RC 157 ---
Ape, Snow --- CO, RC 157 ---
Ape, White --- BA, RC 158 ---
Aranea --- X1 30, X2 24, DMR2 11, CoM 91 --- MM 15 (slight differences)
Archaeopteryx --- HW 21 ---
Archelon --- MA, DMR2 29, HWR1 27 --- SW 144
Archer Bush --- B3 26, DMR2 11 --- ToH 9
Archon --- RC 158 --- BoED (variants)
Ash Crawler --- DMR2 12 --- VoP
Athach --- MA, RC 158 --- MM 21
Auratus --- M4 39 ---
Auroch, Shaggy --- HW 21 ---
Automaton --- HW 22 --- MMII 27 (more powerful)
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Consider this a "test"! :D
Any ideas or extra info is really appreciated.
Almost forgot the "Legend"; as is so far anyway.
OD&D Creature List Legend
OD&D
BA = Basic Rules Set
EX = Expert Rules Set
CO = Companion Rules Set
MA = Master Rules Set
B# = Basic Module
X# = Expert Module
CM# = Companion Module
M# = Master Module
IM# = Immortal Module
RC = Rules Cyclopedia
AC9 = Creature Catalog
CC = DMR2 Creature Catalog
GAZ# = Gazetteer Series
PC# = Creature Crucible Series
CoM = Champions of Mystara
HW = Hollow World Campaign Set
HWR1 = Sons of Azca
HWR2 = Kingdom of Nithia
HWR3 = The Milenian Empire
HWA1 = Nightwail
HWA2 = Nightrage
HWA3 = Nightstorm
HWQ1 = The Milenian Scepter
MMC = AD&D Mystara Monstrous Compendium
ARR = Assault on Raven’s Ruin
ETR = Escape from Thunder Rift
KN = The Knight of Newts
QSS = Quest for the Silver Sword
3.X Edition WotC
MM = 3.5 Ed. Monster Manual
MMII = 3.0 Ed Monster Manual II
MMIII = 3.5 Monster Manual III
CotSQ = City of the Spider Queen
D&DG = Deities and Demigods
DRAC = Draconomicon
DR# = Dragon Magazine
DU# = Dungeon Magazine
ELH = Epic Level Handbook
FF = Fiend Folio
FB = Frostburn
FRS = Forgotten Realms Setting
LoM = Lords of Madness
LEoF = Lost Empires of Faerun
MHB = Miniatures Handbook
MoF = Monsters of Faerun
OA = Oriental Adventers
RoF = Races of faerun
SM = Silver Marches
SW = Stormwrack
3.X Edition D20 non-WotC
ToH = Tomb of Horrors
VoP = Vaults of Pandius website
If anybody is interested (although it would be the subject of a seperate thread) I would be happy to give lists of creatures by nation. Since it's in a DB, it really isn't any work for me.
That would be great Hugin! I would find that incredibly useful.
I don't think there's any reason to restrict ourselves to WotC. It might be nice to note the publisher, however, and if you can, would you be able to post the page numbers?
Check them over the weekend and post on Monday.
A good place to check what monster is in what 3.x book is here.
Regards,
Gary
Check them over the weekend and post on Monday.
A good place to check what monster is in what 3.x book is here.
Regards,
Gary
That's yet another excellent link, Gary! Thanks! Of course, it will be nice if anybody with access to any of these books could let us know how close these are to the OD&D creatures. That way, if the 3E creatures are considerably different, it can be noted on the index.
[HTML]Letter “B” List of Creatures
Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Baak --- WotI 105 ---
Baboon, Rock --- BA, RC 158 ---
Baldandar --- DMR2 12 --- VoP
Baluchitherium --- DMR2 9, HWR1 27 ---
Banshee --- CO, B4, DMR2 13, RC 182 --- MMII 30, FF, VoP
Bargda --- DMR2 14 --- VoP
Baric --- B3 26 --- ToH 15
Basilisk --- EX, RC 159 --- MM 23
Bat --- BA, RC 159 --- MM 268
Bat, Giant --- BA, RC 159 ---
Bat, Steam --- GAZ13 ---
Bat, Zargosian --- HWR3 42 ---
Bear, Black --- BA, RC 159, GAZ12 --- MM 269
Bear, Cave --- BA, RC 159, HW 22 ---
Bear, Grizzly --- BA, RC 159 ---
Bear, Polar --- BA, RC 159 --- MM 269
Bee, Giant --- BA, RC 160 --- MM 284
Beetle, Earthquake --- DMR2 15 ---
Beetle, Giant Fire --- BA, RC 160 --- MM 285
Beetle, Giant Oil --- BA, RC 160 ---
Beetle, Giant Tiger --- BA, RC 160 ---
Beetle, Spitting --- QSS ---
Beholder --- CO, RC 160 --- MM 25, FRS (Death Tyrant), LoM (Elder Orb)
Beholder, Aquatic --- DMR2 15 --- LoM, ToH 132 (Eye of the Deep)
Beholder, Undead --- MA, RC 161 ---
Bekkah --- DMR2 18 ---
Bhut --- X4 29, DMR2 15 --- FF, VoP
Birch Dove --- GAZ4 ---
Bison, Giant --- HW 22 ---
Black Pudding --- EX, RC 161 --- MM 201
Blackball (Deadly Sphere, Umbral Blot) --- MA, IM1 38, RC 162 --- ELH 223, VoP
Blast Spore --- CO, RC 162 --- LoM, ToH 148 (Gas Spore)
Blink Dog --- EX, RC 162 --- MM 28
Boar --- BA, RC 162 --- MM 270
Boar, Great --- GAZ12, RC 162 ---
Boneless --- GAZ13 ---
Bounder --- HW 17 ---
Brain Collector (Neh-Thalggu) --- X2 24, DMR2 16 --- ELH 206, VoP
Brontosaurus (Apatosaurus) --- X1 30, DMR2 29, HW 21 --- VoP
Brownie --- DMR2 17, PC1 --- DR331 (?), ToH 30
Brownie, Redcap --- DMR2 17, PC1 --- DR331 (?), MMIII
Bubbles --- B3 26 ---
Bugbear --- BA, RC 162 --- MM 29
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Again, any ideas or extra info is really appreciated.
I haven't checked them all but I just spotted that the Aquatic Beholder and the Earthquake Beetle are on page 62, not page 15, of the CC.
:-) Jesper
Interesting post, Hugin.
I haven't checked them all but I just spotted that the Aquatic Beholder and the Earthquake Beetle are on page 62, not page 15, of the CC.
:-) Jesper
I have the DMR2 Creature Catalog (with the reddish cover). I noted it in the "Legend" that appears under the 'A' list. It's good to know that people are checking these things because I'm bound to make a mistake somewhere! ;)
Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Caecilia --- EX, RC 162 ---
Camarilla --- DA3 36 ---
Camel --- EX, RC 163, GAZ12 --- MM 270
Caribou --- RC 157 --- FB
Carrion Crawler --- BA, RC 163 --- MM 30
Carvet --- MMC ---
Cat --- GAZ12 --- MM 270
Cay-Men --- X9 27, DMR2 20 ---
Centaur --- EX, RC 163, PC1 --- MM 32
Centipede, Giant --- BA, RC 163 ---
Cestian Gobbler --- CoM 91 ---
Chameleon Man --- DMR2 20 ---
Changling, Zargosian --- HWR3 43 --- DR304 (comparable ?)
Cheetah --- DMR2 18 --- MM 271
Chevall --- B10 54 GAZ1, GAZ5, PC4, DMR2 21 --- VoP
Chimer --- HWR2 18 ---
Chimer, Crystalweeds --- HWR2 19 ---
Chimera --- EX, RC 164 --- MM 34
Chimera, Undead --- X11 61 --- VoP
Choker --- GAZ6, DMR2 21 --- MM 34, VoP
Cockatrice --- EX, RC 164 --- MM 37
Coltpixy --- DMR2 22, PC1 --- VoP
Crab, Giant --- EX, X13 62, RC 164 --- DU91 (monstrous), SW 141, ToH 46
Crocodile --- EX, RC 164 --- MM 271
Crocodile, Giant --- EX, RC 164 --- MM 271
Crone of Chaos --- DMR2 23 --- VoP
Cryion --- DMR2 23 ---
Cyborg --- DA3 36 ---
Cyclops --- EX, RC 164 --- D&DG
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Dark Wing --- DMR2 24 --- VoP
Darkhood (Rorphyr) --- DMR2 25 --- VoP
Death Demon (Ostegos) --- X2 25, DMR2 26 ---
Death Leech --- CM2 26 ---
Decapus, Land --- B3 26, DMR2 26 --- ToH 64, VoP
Decapus, Marine --- X9 27, DMR2 26 ---
Deep Glaurant --- DMR2 27, GAZ8 --- VoP
Deer --- RC 157, PC4 --- SM
Desert Ghost --- DMR2 28 ---
Devil Swine --- EX, RC 190, PC4 ---
Devilfish (Ixitxachiti) --- MA, RC 165 --- MMII 128
Diabolus --- CM8, WotI 106 --- VoP
Diger --- B3 27 ---
Dimetrodon --- X1 30, DMR2 29 --- DR318, VoP
Dinosaur --- MA, RC 165, DMR2 29 --- MM 60, MMII 70, VoP
Dire Wolf --- BA, RC 212 --- MM 62
Discorporate --- HWA1 63 ---
Displacer Beast --- EX, RC 166 --- MM 66
Dog, Riding --- DMR2 30 --- MM 272
Dog, Wild --- X9 27, GAZ12 --- MM 271
Dolphin --- CO, X7 29, RC 167 ---
Doppleganger --- BA, RC 167 --- MM 67
Draeden --- IM1 38 ---
Dragon Turtle --- CO, X7 29, RC 173 --- MM 88
Dragon, Black --- BA, RC 168 --- MM 70
Dragon, Blue --- BA, RC 168 --- MM 72
Dragon, Brown --- IM1 38 --- MoF
Dragon, Crystalline --- MMC ---
Dragon, Gem --- MA --- MMII 77
Dragon, Gold --- BA, IM1 38, RC 168 --- MM 84
Dragon, Green --- BA, RC 168 --- MM 74
Dragon, Lesser Night --- CoM 92 ---
Dragon, Night --- CoM 92 ---
Dragon, Pocket --- X6 29, ---
Dragon, Red --- DMR2 31 --- MM 75
Dragon, Sea --- BA, RC 168 ---
Dragon, Undead --- DMR2 31 --- DRAC, DU100
Dragon, White --- DMR2 32 --- MM 77
Dragonfly, Black --- BA, RC 168 ---
Dragonfly, Blue --- DMR2 34 ---
Dragonfly, Gold --- DU6 62 ---
Dragonfly, Green --- DMR2 34 ---
Dragonfly, Red --- DMR2 34 ---
Dragonfly, White --- DMR2 34 ---
Dragonne --- DMR2 34 --- MM 89
Drake, Cold- --- X9 27, DMR2 35 ---
Drake, Man- --- MA, RC 173 ---
Drake, Wood- --- MA, RC 173 ---
Dream-Hunter --- MA, RC 173, PC1 ---
Drolem --- HWR2 22 ---
Dryad --- CO, RC 173 --- MM 90
Dusanu (Rot Fiend) --- EX, RC 174, PC1 ---
Dwarf --- X5 27, DMR2 35 --- MM 91
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Forgot to post page numbers yesterday, so here they are now, all refer to the Tome of Horrors.
Aerial Servant p.5
Archer Bush p.9
Baric p.15
Brownie p.30
Crab, Monstrous p.46
Decapus p.64
Eye of the Deep p.132
Gas Spore p.148
Wood Golem p.154
Jupiter Bloodsucker p.172
Mandragora p.187
Soul Eater p.238
Strangleweed p.246
Vampire Rose p.270
Regards,
Gary
Sorry chaps,
Forgot to post page numbers yesterday, so here they are now, all refer to the Tome of Horrors.
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No problem, Gary. Thanks, I'm going to enter these right now.
I guess that noboby has any other thoughts on how to format this any better, eh? For that matter, is this even what people had in mind for this topic? I'd wouldn't mind hearing from Shawn, actually, since this was his idea - Just to know if you'd like anything changed (before I get too much done ;) ) or to go ahead and 'knock myself out'!
No problem, Gary. Thanks, I'm going to enter these right now.
I guess that noboby has any other thoughts on how to format this any better, eh? For that matter, is this even what people had in mind for this topic? I'd wouldn't mind hearing from Shawn, actually, since this was his idea - Just to know if you'd like anything changed (before I get too much done ;) ) or to go ahead and 'knock myself out'!
what you're doing great Hugin, though there should either be a general disclaimer that the monsters in third edition sources are not necessarily direct conversions of particular Mystaran monsters or specific disclaimers for particular monsters (eg the Bhut) that they aren't direct conversions of Mystaran monsters. I would think that a general disclaimer with some specific examples would be better. Otherwise what you're doing looks great.
what you're doing great Hugin, though there should either be a general disclaimer that the monsters in third edition sources are not necessarily direct conversions of particular Mystaran monsters or specific disclaimers for particular monsters (eg the Bhut) that they aren't direct conversions of Mystaran monsters. I would think that a general disclaimer with some specific examples would be better. Otherwise what you're doing looks great.
Ya, the disclaimer is a good idea, and a general one is really the only kind I could do since in don't have access to most of the 3.X references. The Bhut example is one that I wouldn't have known unless someone mentioned it. I got the 3.X references mainly from links that Gary provided.
So with that said, I put out a plead of help to anybody with info like that to be included in the Creature Reference.
Ya, the disclaimer is a good idea, and a general one is really the only kind I could do since in don't have access to most of the 3.X references. The Bhut example is one that I wouldn't have known unless someone mentioned it. I got the 3.X references mainly from links that Gary provided.
So with that said, I put out a plead of help to anybody with info like that to be included in the Creature Reference.
my initial attempts at the beginning of this thread list some specific examples. From recall the Bhut and Revenant are the best examples and the Neh-Thalggu is more similar but a totally different power level.
my initial attempts at the beginning of this thread list some specific examples. From recall the Bhut and Revenant are the best examples and the Neh-Thalggu is more similar but a totally different power level.
What do you think about having a couple of terms or short phrases that we could use to describe how different the 3E conversion is compared to the OD&D version? I also think it safe to assume that they are all slightly different than the OD&D version, but what I have in mind is something like this:
- weaker - this is significantly weaker than the OD&D version.
- stronger - this is significantly stronger than the OD&D version.
- dissimilar - it differs somewhat in concept to the OD&D version.
- different - the creature goes by the same name but is radically different.
What do you think?
What do you think about having a couple of terms or short phrases that we could use to describe how different the 3E conversion is compared to the OD&D version? I also think it safe to assume that they are all slightly different than the OD&D version, but what I have in mind is something like this:
- weaker - this is significantly weaker than the OD&D version.
- stronger - this is significantly stronger than the OD&D version.
- dissimilar - it differs somewhat in concept to the OD&D version.
- different - the creature goes by the same name but is radically different.
What do you think?
yeah sounds good Hugin, but I think that it should still only be done for a few notable creatures rather than all of them, unless you're willing to go the whole hog. :D
In addtion to the monsters mentioned above, Pixies and other faerie creatures are similar to their 3.5E counterparts, but have some differences from there PC1 counterparts. For most adventures, it may not matter, but anyone using PC1 frequently, it does make a difference. I believe 3.5E lycanthropes and PC4 also fall into this category.
I've seen 'Wiki's before that people have linked to from here, and although I don't fully understand them, I got the impression that anybody can edit them. If this is the case, wouldn't that be ideal for this type of project? But, in the meantime, I'll countinue plugging away with what I'm doing.
Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Eagle --- DMR2 36, GAZ12 --- MM 272
Eagle, giant (Hiak) --- DMR2 36, HW 22 --- MM 93
Eater-of-Magic --- CM8 ---
Eel, Electric --- X7 29, DMR2 36 ---
Eel, Giant Electric --- X7 29, DMR2 36 ---
Eel, Giant Swamp --- CM9 ---
Eel, Weed --- DMR2 36 ---
Elemental --- EX, RC 175 --- MM 98
Elemental, Chaos and Air (Eolian) --- MMC ---
Elemental, Chaos and Earth (Erdeen) --- MMC ---
Elemental, Chaos and Fire (Pyrophor) --- MMC ---
Elemental, Law and Air (Anemo) --- MMC ---
Elephant --- EX, RC 176 --- MM 272
Elephant (Mastodon or wooly) --- EX, RC 176, HW 24 --- DU87, MMIII
Elf --- BA, RC 177, DMR2 37 --- MM 101
Elf, Aquatic --- DMR2 37, PC3 ---
Elf, Shadow --- DMR2 37, GAZ5 ---
Elk --- RC 157, PC4 --- SM
Elk, Giant --- X1 30, DMR2 9 --- VoP
Ether Weird --- GAZ4 --- MM 272
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Faedorne --- DMR2 38 ---
Faenare --- PC2 ---
Faerie --- MA, RC 177 ---
Falcon --- GAZ12 ---
Faun (Satyr) --- PC1 --- MM 219
Feathered Serpent --- HWR1 28, HWA2 61 ---
Ferret, Giant --- BA, RC 177 ---
Feywing --- DMR2 39, GAZ8 ---
Fiend, Lesser Croaking --- WotI 108 ---
Fiend, Lesser Groaning --- WotI 108 ---
Fiend, Lesser Hissing --- WotI 108 ---
Fiend, Lesser Howling --- WotI 108 ---
Fiend, Lesser Roaring --- WotI 108 ---
Fiend, Lesser Screaming --- WotI 108 ---
Fiend, Lesser Whispering --- WotI 108 ---
Fish, Gargantuan Carp --- DMR2 39 ---
Fish, Giant Bass --- EX, RC 177 ---
Fish, Giant Cat- --- X6 29, DMR2 39 --- DU82
Fish, Giant Piranha --- X6 29, DMR2 40 ---
Fish, Giant Rock- --- EX, RC 177 ---
Fish, Giant Sturgeon --- EX, RC 177 ---
Fish, Piranha --- B10 56, DMR2 40 --- SW 162 (swarm)
Flapsails --- HW 23 ---
Flitterling --- O2 27, DMR2 41 ---
Frog Folk --- DA2 14 --- VoP
Frog, Giant Poisonous --- DMR2 41, CoM, --- MoF (poisonous ?)
Frog, Killer --- DA2 13 ---
Fundamental --- X8 27, DMR2 42 ---
Fungoid --- AC8 7, DMR2 42 ---
Fungus, Blackspore --- GAZ13 ---
Fungus, Darksnap --- GAZ13 ---
Fungus, Lermon --- GAZ13 ---
Fungus, Pearldew --- GAZ13 ---
Fungus, Shaman --- GAZ13 ---
Fungus, Shrieker --- BA, RC 203, --- MM 113
Fungus, Strider --- GAZ13 ---
Fungus, Trania --- GAZ13 ---
Fyrsnaca --- XS2 38, DMR2 43 ---
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Gakarak (Forest Brooder) --- DA3 36, DMR2 44 ---
Galumph --- ARR ---
Gargantua --- CO, X7 29, RC 177 ---
Gargoyle --- BA, RC 178 --- MM 113
Gargoyle, Iron --- DMR2 44 --- VoP (under golem)
Garl --- CM6, DA3 36, DMR2 46 ---
Gator Man --- CC 47 ---
Gelatinous Cube --- BA, RC 178, MM 201 --- MM 201
Genie, Djinni --- EX, CO, RC 166 --- MM 114
Genie, Efreeti --- EX, CO, RC 174 --- MM 115
Geonid --- X5 28, DA3 37, DMR2 47 --- VoP
Gerbil --- GAZ12 ---
Ghost/Haunt --- CO, B3 27, RC 182 ---
Ghostly Horde --- DMR2 48 --- VoP
Ghoul --- BA, RC 178 --- MM 118
Ghoul, Elder --- DMR2 48 --- VoP
Ghoul, Vapor --- AC9 --- VoP
Giant, Cloud --- EX, RC 179 --- MM 120
Giant, Fire --- EX, RC 179 --- MM 121
Giant, Frost --- EX, RC 179 --- MM 122
Giant, Hill --- EX, RC 179 --- MM 123
Giant, Mountian --- MA, RC 179 --- MMII 109
Giant, Sea (Ocean) --- MA, RC 179, PC3 --- MMII 109
Giant, Stone --- EX, RC 179 --- MM 124
Giant, Storm --- EX, RC 179 --- MM 125
Gnoll --- BA, RC 180 --- MM 130
Gnome --- BA, RC 180, PC2 --- MM 131
Goat --- RC 157, PC4 ---
Goat, Wild --- RC 157, GAZ12, PC4 --- DU83
Goblin --- BA, RC 180 --- MM 133
Golem, Amber --- EX, RC 180 --- VoP
Golem, Armor --- QSS ---
Golem, Bamboo --- RR ---
Golem, Bone --- EX, RC 180 --- VoP
Golem, Bronze --- EX, RC 180 --- VoP
Golem, Dread Gargoyle --- MMC ---
Golem, Ganetra --- HWA3 64 ---
Golem, Ice --- QSS --- FB
Golem, Mud --- CO, X2 25, RC 180 --- DR302, MMIII
Golem, Obsidian --- CO, RC 180 --- VoP
Golem, Rock --- CC 49 ---
Golem, Silver --- CC 49 ---
Golem, Skeletal --- MMC --- VoP
Golem, Wood --- EX, RC 180 ---
Gorgon --- EX, RC 181 --- MM 137
Grab Grass --- CO, X2 25, X6 29, RC 181 ---
Grangeri --- X1 31, DMR2 8 --- VoP
Gray Ooze --- BA, RC 181 --- MM 202
Gray Philosopher --- DMR2 49 --- VoP
Grazer --- DA3 37 ---
Green Slime --- BA, RC 181 ---
Gremlin --- CO, X2 25, RC 181, PC2 ---
Gridbug --- HWA1 62 ---
Griffon --- EX, RC 181 --- MM 139
Gruquotecs --- HWR1 16 ---
Guardian Hand --- CM8 ---
Guardian Tree (Karwana Mulumba) --- CoM ---
Guardian Warrior & Horse --- DMR2 50 ---
Gyerian --- CM5 32, DMR2 51 ---
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Hag, Black --- MA, RC 182 ---
Hag, Sea --- MA, RC 182 --- MM 144
Halfling --- BA, RC 182 --- MM 149
Harpy --- BA, RC 182, PC 2 --- MM 150
Haunt, Lesser --- DMR2 52 --- VoP
Haunt, Poltergeist --- B3 28, RC 182 --- VoP
Hawk --- DMR2 52, GAZ12 --- MM 273
Hawk, Giant --- DMR2 52 ---
Helion --- CO, RC 184 ---
Hell Hound --- EX, RC 184 --- MM 151
Hephaeston --- CM6, DMR2 53 --- VoP
Herex --- DA3 37, DMR2 53 ---
Hippogriff --- EX, RC 184 --- MM 152
Hivebrood --- DMR2 54 ---
Hobgoblin --- BA, RC 185 --- MM 153
Homunculus, --- DMR2 56 --- MM 154
Homunculus, Aryth (Thought/Good) --- MMC ---
Homunculus, Bogan (Entropy/Evil) --- MMC ---
Homunculus, Fylgar (Matter/Law) --- DMR2 ---
Homunculus, Gretch (Time/Neutral) --- DMR2 ---
Homunculus, Ulzaq (Energy/Chaos) --- DMR2 ---
Hook Horror --- DA3 38, DMR2 58 --- MMII 126
Horde --- CO, RC 185 ---
Horse --- EX, RC 185, GAZ12 --- MM 273
Horse, Elven War --- GAZ5 ---
Hound, Amorian --- HWR3 41 ---
Hsiao (Guardian Owl) --- MA, RC 186, PC1 --- VoP
Hulker --- DA3 38, DMR2 58 ---
Huptzeen --- AC9 27 ---
Hydra (5 - 12 heads) --- EX, RC 186 --- MM 155
Hydra, Karakos the Zargosian --- HWQ1 54 ---
Hydrax --- CO, RC 187 ---
Hyenodon --- DMR2 9, HWR1 28 ---
Hypnosnake --- X3 30, DMR2 59 ---
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Ice Wolf (Winter Wolf) --- B10 54, DMR2 60, HW 29 --- MM 256
Ichthyosaurus --- HW 23 --- SW 145
Imp, Bog --- MMC ---
Imp, Blue --- GAZ3 ---
Imp, Garden --- MMC ---
Imp, Red --- GAZ3 ---
Insect, Swarm --- EX, RC 187 ---
Invisible Stalker (Sshai) --- EX, RC 187 --- MM 160
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Jaguar --- DMR2 18 ---
Jellyfish, Agrisian --- HWR2 41 ---
Jellyfish, Giant Death’s Head --- MMC ---
Jellyfish, Giant Galley --- MMC ---
Jellyfish, Giant Man-O-War --- X7 29, DMR2 60 ---
Jellyfish, Giant Marauder --- X7 29, DMR2 60 ---
Juggernaut --- X4 30, X10 40, DMR2 62 --- MMII 132
Jumper --- WotI 110 --- VoP
Jupiter Blood Sucker --- B3 28 --- ToB 172
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Kal-Muru (Shipbane) --- X8 27, DMR2 62 ---
Kara-Kara --- X8 27, DMR2 63 ---
Kartoeba ("Thing in the pit") --- B10 55 ---
Killer Tree --- X2 25, X6 29, DMR2 64 ---
Kna --- DMR2 65, PC3 ---
Kobold --- BA, RC 187 --- MM 161
Kopru --- X1 31, DMR2 66, PC3 --- MMII 134, VoP
Kraken --- DMR2 66 --- MM 162
Kryst --- CO, RC 187 ---
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Lake Klintest Monster --- GAZ6 ---
Lamara --- DMR2 67 ---
Lava Fish --- GAZ13 ---
Lava Lizard --- DMR2 68 ---
Lava Ooze --- MA, RC 188 ---
Leech, Giant --- EX, RC 188 --- DU82, DU86, SW 154
Leprechaun --- PC1 ---
Leveller “Bodendruker" --- AC9 ---
Leviathan, Desert --- DMR2 69 ---
Leviathan, Marine --- DMR2 69 --- MMII 139
Lich --- MA, RC 188 --- MM 166
Lion --- BA, RC 163, GAZ12 --- MM 274
Lion, Spotted --- DMR2 18 ---
Living Statue, Crystal --- BA, RC 208 --- VoP
Living Statue, Iron --- BA, RC 208 --- VoP
Living Statue, Jade --- B10 55, DMR2 70 ---
Living Statue, Rock --- BA, RC 208 --- VoP
Living Statue, Rock/Ooze --- B10 55, DMR2 70 ---
Living Statue, Silver --- B10 55, DMR2 70 ---
Living Statue, Steel --- B10 55, DMR2 70 ---
Lizard, Chameleon --- GAZ12 ---
Lizard, Giant Draco --- BA, RC 189 --- VoP
Lizard, Giant Foot-Pad --- B10 56, DMR2 70, CoM ---
Lizard, Giant Gecko --- BA, RC 189 --- VoP
Lizard, Giant Horned Chameleon --- BA, RC 189 --- VoP
Lizard, Giant Tuatara --- BA, RC 189 --- VoP
Lizard, Rockhome --- DMR2 71, GAZ6 --- FRS (Riding, compatible ?)
Lizard, Thumper --- HW 24 ---
Lizardfolk/Lizard Man --- BA, RC 189 --- MM 169
Lochnar --- X13 62 ---
Locust, Giant --- RC 189 ---
Lupin --- X2 25, X9 28, DMR2 72, PC4 --- DR325, VoP
Lyadrachnus --- HWQ1 54 ---
Lynx --- DMR2 18 --- RoF
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Magen --- X2 26, DMR2 73 ---
Magpie --- DMR2 74 --- VoP
Magpie, Giant --- DMR2 74 --- VoP
Malfera --- CO, X5 28, RC 191 --- VoP
Manikin (Mandragora) --- GAZ3 --- ToH 187
Manscorpion (scorpionfolk) --- CO, RC 191 --- MMII 221, MoF (Stinger)
Manta Ray --- CO, RC 192 ---
Manta Ray, Giant --- CO, RC 192 ---
Manticore --- EX, RC 192 --- MM 179
Masher --- DMR2 78 ---
Medusa --- BA, RC 192 --- MM 180
Megatherium --- X1 31, DMR2 9 --- FF, VoP
Mek --- MA, RC 192 ---
Memory Gourd --- GAZ13 ---
Merfolk (Merrow) --- EX, RC 194, PC3 --- MM 185
Mesmer --- DMR2 78 --- VoP
Metamorph --- MA, RC 194 ---
Minotaur --- BA, RC 195 --- MM 188
Moan Bird --- HWR1 30 ---
Monkey --- GAZ12 --- MM 276
Monkey, Giant Marmoset --- B3 28 ---
Monster Ruler --- WotI 111 ---
Moonflower --- PC4 ---
Moose --- RC 157, PC4 --- DR327
Mountian Lion (Cougar, Puma) --- BA, RC 163 ---
Mugumba Mud-Dwellers --- CoM ---
Mujina --- CO, X5 29, RC 195 --- VoP
Mule --- BA, RC 195 --- MM 276
Mummy --- EX, RC 195 --- MM 190
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Nagpa --- X4 30, DMR2 79, PC2 ---
Neanderthal --- BA, RC 196 --- FB
Nekrozon (Catoblepas) --- MA, RC 196 --- MMII 41, DR299
Newt --- KN ---
Nightgleet --- GAZ8 ---
Nightmare --- DMR2 79 --- MM 194
Nightmare, Lesser --- ETR ---
Nightshade, Nightcrawler --- MA, RC 196 --- MM 195
Nightshade, Nightwalker --- MA, RC 196 --- MM 196
Nightshade, Nightwing --- MA, RC 196 --- MM 197
Nothosaurus --- HWR1 30 ---
Notion --- WotI 112 ---
Nuckalvee --- MA, RC 198 --- VoP
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Oard --- CM6 ---
Ochre Jelly --- BA, RC 198 --- MM 202
Octopus, Giant --- DMR2 80 --- MM 276
Ogre --- BA, RC 198 --- MM 198
Orc --- BA, RC 198 --- MM 203
Owl --- GAZ12 --- MM 277
Owl, giant --- DMR2 80 --- MM 205
Owlbear --- BA, RC 199 --- MM 206
Oyster, Giant --- X1 31, DMR2 81 --- VoP
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Pachycephalosaurus --- HW 24 --- DR318
Pachydermion --- DMR2 81 ---
Panther --- BA, RC 163 --- MM 274
Pegasus --- EX, RC 199 --- MM 206
Pegataur --- DMR2 82, DotE, PC2 ---
Phanaton --- X1 31, DMR2 82 --- VoP
Phantom --- X2 26 ---
Phantom, Apparition --- CO, IM1 38, RC 199 --- VoP
Phantom, lesser --- DMR2 83 --- VoP
Phantom, Shade --- CO, RC 199 --- VoP
Phantom, Vision --- CO, RC 199 --- VoP
Phasm --- CO --- MM 208
Phobosuchus --- HW 24 ---
Phoenix --- MA, RC 200 --- MMII 168
Phororhacos (Sword Beak) --- X1 32, DMR2 9 --- VoP
Pig, Peccary --- GAZ9 ---
Pig, Wild --- PC4 ---
Piranha Bird --- X6 29, DMR2 84 --- VoP
Pisanosaurus --- HW 25 ---
Plasm --- IM1 39, RC 200 ---
Plasm, Giant --- IM1 39, RC 200 ---
Plesiosaurus --- X1 32, RC 201 --- SW 146, VoP
Ploppeds --- WotI --- VoP
Polymar --- B4, DMR2 84 ---
Ponies, Krugel --- HW 26 ---
Pooka --- PC1 ---
Porcupine, Giant --- DMR2 85 ---
Possession --- AC9 ---
Protean, Astral --- IM1 40 ---
Protectors --- B3 28 ---
Prying Eyes --- CM8 ---
Pteranodon --- EX, RC 201 --- DR318, VoP
Pteranodon, Giant --- HW 25 ---
Pterodactyl --- EX, RC 201 --- VoP
Pterosaur --- EX, RC 201 --- VoP
Purple Moss --- B3 28 ---
Purple Worm --- EX, RC 201 --- MM 211
Quarg --- DA3 40 --- DR318
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Rakasta --- X1 32, X2 26, DMR2 85, CoM 92 --- VoP
Randara --- DMR2 86 ---
Rat --- BA, RC 201 --- MM 278
Rat, Giant --- BA, RC 201 ---
Ratling --- QSS ---
Raven/Crow --- DMR2 86 --- MM 278
Raven/Crow, Giant --- DMR2 86, ARR --- SM, FB
Red Worm --- B11 31, XS2 38, DMR2 87 ---
Reflecter --- AC9 ---
Refractor --- HWR2 20 ---
Reindeer, Giant --- HW 26 ---
Revener --- MA, RC 202 --- VoP
Rhagodessa --- EX, RC 202 --- VoP
Rhinoceros --- DMR2 87 --- MM 278
Riding Animal, Small --- HW 26 ---
Roaring Demon (Alphaks) --- CM2 29 ---
Robber Fly --- BA, RC 202 ---
Robot --- DA3 39 ---
Roc --- EX, RC 202 --- MM 215
Rock Man --- DMR2 88 ---
Rockfang --- GAZ8 ---
Roper --- DA3 40, DMR2 88 --- MM 215
Rust Monster --- BA, RC 202 --- MM 216
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Saberclaw --- CM 32, DMR2 89 ---
Saber-Tooth Tiger --- BA, RC 163 --- FB (Smilodon), VoP
Sacrol --- X9 28 --- VoP
Salamander, Flame --- EX, RC 202 ---
Salamander, Frost --- EX, RC 202 --- MMII 107
Sand Folk --- DA3 40 ---
Sand-star --- HWR2 21 ---
Sasquatch --- MA, RC 203 ---
Scamille --- DMR2 89 ---
Scorpion --- DMR2 90 ---
Scorpion, Giant --- EX, RC 203 ---
Sea Horse --- X7 29, DMR2 90 ---
Sea Serpent --- DMR2 91 ---
Seal, Fur --- DU6 63 ---
Seergar --- GAZ8 ---
Serpentweed, Giant --- X9 28, DMR2 91, CoM ---
Servitor --- WotI 113 ---
Shadow --- BA, RC 203 --- MM 221
Shargugh --- O2 27, DMR2 92 ---
Shark, Bull --- CO, RC 203 ---
Shark, Great White --- CO, RC 203 ---
Shark, Mako --- CO, RC 203 ---
Shark, Vamora --- DMR2 92 ---
Shark-Kin (Sahuagin) --- DMR2 93, PC3 ---
Sheep --- GAZ12, PC4 ---
Shrew, Giant --- BA, RC 203 ---
Sidhe ("sh-ee") --- PC1 ---
Silk-Spider --- DotE ---
Silver Warrior --- DMR2 94 ---
Sirenflower --- B6 16, DMR2 94 ---
Sis'thik (Desert Scourge) --- DMR2 95 ---
Skeletal Beast --- X11 61 --- VoP
Skeleton --- BA, RC 204 --- MM 225
Skinwings --- GAZ13 ---
Skitterlings --- GAZ13 ---
Skullwraith --- CM8 ---
Skunk --- DMR2 96 ---
Skunk, Giant --- DMR2 96 ---
Skywyrm, Lesser --- CoM 94 ---
Skywyrm, Greater --- CoM 94 ---
Slime Worm --- X2 27, DMR2 96 ---
Slug, Giant --- MA, RC 204 ---
Small Riding Animal --- HW 26 ---
Snail, Giant --- RC 204 ---
Snake --- GAZ12 --- MM 279
Snake, Anaconda --- CoM ---
Snake, Black Cobra --- CoM ---
Snake, Flying Viper --- HW 29 --- RoF (Snake, Flying, similar ?)
Snake, Giant Boa --- CoM ---
Snake, Giant Marble --- B3 27 ---
Snake, Giant Racer --- BA, RC 204 --- VoP
Snake, Giant Rattle- --- BA, RC 204 --- VoP
Snake, Giant Rock Rattler --- B10 55, DMR2 97 ---
Snake, Pit Viper --- BA, RC 204 --- VoP
Snake, Rainbow Viper (Musoke Fitina) --- CoM ---
Snake, Rock Python --- BA, RC 204 --- VoP
Snake, Sea --- BA, RC 204 --- VoP
Snake, Spitting Cobra --- BA, RC 204 --- VoP
Snake, Tik Polonga --- CoM ---
Snake, White Cobra --- HWA3 33 ---
Snakemen --- IM1 40 ---
Snapper --- X9 29, DMR2 97 ---
Sollux (Sun Brother) --- X2 27, DMR2 98 ---
Somnastis Plant --- HW 27 ---
Soul Eater --- X4 31, DMR2 98 --- ToH 238
Spectral Hound --- CO, X5 29, IM1 40, RC 205 --- DU100, VoP
Spectre --- EX, RC 205 --- MM 232
Sphinx, Andro- --- MA, RC 205 --- MM 232
Spider, Giant Black Widow --- BA, RC 206 --- VoP
Spider, Giant Crab --- BA, RC 206 --- VoP
Spider, Giant Hunting --- B11 31, X6 29, DMR2 100 --- MM 288
Spider, Giant Sand --- DMR2 100, CoM ---
Spider, Giant Shroud --- B10 56, DMR2 100 ---
Spider, Giant Tarantella --- BA, RC 206 --- VoP
Spider, Huge Wood --- DMR2 101 ---
Spider, Planar --- MA, RC 206 ---
Spirit, Animal --- GAZ12 --- FB (?)
Spirit, Druj --- CO, RC 207 --- VoP
Spirit, Evil --- GAZ12 ---
Spirit, Lord --- GAZ12 ---
Spirit, Nature (Spirit of the Land) --- GAZ12 --- MMII 189 (similar, example of the more powerful ones), OA
Spirit, Odic --- CO, RC 207 --- VoP
Spirit, Revenant --- CO, RC 207 --- CotSQ (Template), VoP
Sporacle --- MA, RC 208 ---
Sprackles --- WotI --- VoP
Sprite --- BA, RC 208, PC1 ---
Sprite, Nixie --- EX, RC 197, PC3 --- MM 235
Sprite, Pixie --- BA, RC 200, PC1 --- MM 236
Squid, Giant --- X13 62, DMR2 102 --- MM 281
Steam Weevil --- DMR2 102 ---
Stegosaurus --- HW 27 --- DR318
Stirge --- BA, RC 208 --- MM 236
Strangle Vine --- X9 29, DMR2 103, CoM --- MM 20 (assassine vine)
Strangleweed --- DMR2 103 --- ToH 246
Sun-Wight --- HW 4 --- VoP
Surtaki --- DMR2 104 ---
Swan --- GAZ12 ---
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Tabi --- X4 31, X10 40, DMR2 104, PC2 --- VoP
Tanystropheus --- HWR1 31 ---
Tepictoton --- HWR1 31 ---
Termite, Giant Water --- EX, RC 209 ---
Thoul --- BA, RC 209 --- VoP
Thunderhead --- DMR2 105 ---
Tiger --- BA, RC 163, GAZ12 ---
Tiger, Ebon --- MMC ---
Titan --- IM1 40 --- MM 242, ELH (Elder)
Titanothere --- DMR2 9 ---
Toad, Giant --- EX, RC 209 --- OA
Toad, Rock/Cave --- CO, RC 209 ---
Topi --- X8 27, DMR2 105 --- VoP
Tortle --- X9 28, DMR2 106 --- DR315
Trachodon --- X1 32, DMR2 29 --- VoP
Treant --- EX, RC 209, PC1 --- MM 244, ELH (Elder)
Triceratops --- EX, RC 209, HW 28 --- MM 61, MHB
Triton --- DMR2 106, PC3 --- MM 245
Troglodyte --- BA, RC 210 --- MM 246
Troll --- EX, RC 210 --- MM 247
Turtle, Giant Swamp Snapping --- CM9 ---
Tylosaurus --- DMR2 29 ---
Tyrannosaurus Rex --- EX, RC 210, HW 28 --- MM 61, MHB
Tzitzimitl --- HWR1 31 ---
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Ubue --- B3 29 ---
Undine --- CO, RC 210 ---
Unicorn --- EX, RC 211 --- MM 249
Vampire --- EX, RC 211 --- MM 250
Vampire Rose --- X2 27, DMR2 108, GAZ3 --- DU84, ToH 270
Vampire, Nosferatu --- DMR2 107, GAZ1, GAZ3 --- VoP
Velya, Ocean --- DMR2 108 --- VoP
Velya, Swamp --- DMR2 109 --- VoP
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[HTML]Letter “H” List of Creatures
Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Hag, Black --- MA, RC 182 ---
Hag, Sea --- MA, RC 182 --- MM 144
Halfling --- BA, RC 182 --- MM 149
Harpy --- BA, RC 182, PC 2 --- MM 150
Haunt, Lesser --- CC 52 ---
Haunt, Poltergeist --- B3 28, RC 182 ---
Hawk --- CC 52, GAZ12 --- MM 273
Hawk, Giant --- CC 52 ---
Helion --- CO, RC 184 ---
Hell Hound --- EX, RC 184 --- MM 151
Hephaeston --- CM6, CC 53 ---
Herex --- DA3 37, CC 53 ---
Hippogriff --- EX, RC 184 --- MM 152
Hivebrood --- CC 54 ---
Hobgoblin --- BA, RC 185 --- MM 153
Homunculus --- CC 56 --- MM 154
Hook Horror --- DA3 38, CC 58 --- MMII 126
Horde --- CO, RC 185 ---
Horse --- EX, RC 185, GAZ12 --- MM 273
Horse, Elven War --- GAZ5 ---
Hound, Amorian --- HWR3 41 ---
Hsiao (Guardian Owl) --- MA, RC 186, PC1 ---
Hulker --- DA3 38, CC 58 ---
Hydra (5 - 12 heads) --- EX, RC 186 --- MM 155
Hydra, Karakos the Zargosian --- HWQ1 54 ---
Hydrax --- CO, RC 187 ---
Hyenodon --- CC 9, HWR1 28 ---
Hypnosnake --- X3 30, CC 59 --- [/HTML]
Just spotted: Haven't you missed the construct/conjuration known as the "Huptzeen" from page 27 of the green Creature Catalogue?
:-) Jesper
Just spotted: Haven't you missed the construct/conjuration known as the "Huptzeen" from page 27 of the green Creature Catalogue?
:-) Jesper
Thanks, Spellweaver. I don't have the green covered CC so this info is really helpful. If you could make a list with page numbers (I'd imagine it would be fairly short) of creatures in that CC that aren't in the red covered CC, I could add them all in.
That can go for anybody that has creatures that appear in any Mystara material that is not listed in the legend. Thanks for the help.
:-) Jesper
Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Water Weird --- DMR2 109 --- MMII 90 (very different)
Weasel, Giant --- CO, RC 212 ---
Werebat --- MA, RC 190, PC4 --- MoF
Werebear --- BA, RC 190, PC4 --- MM 170
Wereboar --- BA, RC 190, PC4 --- MM 171
Werefox --- MA, RC 190, PC4 ---
Werejaguar --- DMR2 72, PC4, HWR1 29 ---
Wererat --- BA, RC 190, PC4 --- MM 171
Were-sabretooth --- HW 16 ---
Wereseal --- MA, RC 190, PC4 --- FF (Selkie)
Wereshark --- BA, RC 190, PC4 --- LEoF, MoF
Weretiger --- BA, RC 190, PC4 --- MM 172
Werewolf --- BA, RC 190, PC4 --- MM 173
Whale, Cachalot (Sperm) --- CO --- MM 283
Whale, Narwhal --- CO, RC 212 ---
Whale, Orca --- CO, RC 212 --- MM 283
Whipweed --- DMR2 110 ---
White-Fang --- DMR2 111 ---
Wight --- BA, RC 212 --- MM 255
Wildcat --- DMR2 18 ---
Winged Warrior --- DMR2 112 ---
Wolf --- BA, RC 212, GAZ12 --- MM 283
Wolfsbane --- PC4 ---
Wood Imp --- DMR2 112, PC1 ---
Wraith --- EX, RC 212 --- MM 257
Wychglow --- DMR2 113 ---
Wychlamp --- DMR2 114, GAZ8 ---
Wyrd --- B10 56, DMR2 115, GAZ5 --- VoP
Wyvern --- EX, RC 213 --- MM 259
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Creature --- OD&D Reference --- 3rd Edition Reference
Xytar --- DMR2 116 ---
Yak --- GAZ12, PC4 ---
Yellow Mold --- BA, RC 213 ---
Yowler (Yeth Hound) --- DMR2 117 --- MM 260, MMIII
Zebra --- RC 157 ---
Zombie --- BA, RC 213 --- MM 265
Zombie, Frost- --- HW 16 --- VoP
Zombie, Lightning --- WotI --- VoP
Zzonga-Bush --- DotE ---
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Well, I don't have the red version so the best I can offer is a list of the creatures appearing in the green version and on which page. Is that any good?
:-) Jesper
I just posted the last two parts of the index so if you wanted to, you could just check the whole index to see which creatures don't appear from the green CC. However, if it would be easier for you to just post a whole listing, I could sort through it.
I guess all that is left is updates of missing creatures and conversion notes.
Baak- Wrath of the Immortals
Carvet Mystara Monstrous Compendium
Diabolus WotI
Eater-of-Magic CM8
Elemental- Chaos and Air (Eolian) MMC
Elemental- Chaos and Earth (Erdeen) MMC
Elemental- Chaos and Fire (Pyrophor) MMC
Elemental- Law and Air (Anemo) MMC
Fiend, Lesser:
Croaking WotI
Groaning WotI
Hissing WotI
Howling WotI
Roaring WotI
Screaming WotI
Whispering WotI
Galumph Assault on Raven’s Ruin
Ghoul, Vapor AC9
Golem, Armor Quest for the Silver Sword
Golem, Dread Gargoyle MMC
Golem, Ice Quest for the Silver Sword, Can be found in Frostburn
Golem, Skeletal MMC
Guardian Hand CM8
Homunculus:
Aryth (Thought/Good) MMC
Bogan (Entropy/Evil) MMC
Fylgar (Matter/Law) AC9, DMR2
Gretch (Time/Neutral) AC9, DMR2
Ulzaq (Energy/Chaos) AC9, DMR2
Huptzeen AC9
Imp:
Bog MMC
Garden MMC
Jellyfish, Giant:
Death’s Head MMC
Galley MMC
Jumper WotI
Leveller “Bodendruker". AC9
Monster Ruler WotI
Newt The Knight of Newts
Notion WotI
Possession AC9
Prying Eyes CM8
Reflecter AC9
Servitor WotI
Skullwraith CM8
Slug, Giant, Freshwater CM9
Small Riding Animal HW
Turtle, Giant Swamp Snapping CM9
Velya:
Ocean AC9, DMR2
Swamp DMR2
Eel, Swamp, Giant CM9
Lizard, Xytar MMC
Serpent, Feathered HWA1
Beetle, Spitting Quest for the Silver Sword
Spider, White Widow Quest for the Silver Sword
Hope this Helps!
I've got some here I don't see on your list (I apologize for the lack of page numbers)
...
Hope this Helps!
That's execlent, Traianus! A couple of them I already have, they're just under the other letter (such as the Xytar and Feathered Serpent). While I work on these updates, some questions:
- what are The Quest for the Silver Sword, Assault on Raven’s Ruin, and The Knight of Newts? I didn't see them on the 'offical Mystara product' lists on the Vaults. Are they from Dragon or Dungeon magazines?
- Is the Giant Freshwater Slug the same as just the Giant Slug?
I believe the two slugs are different (but probably not too much)- it has been quite awhile since I compared the two.
Once we get the index finalized, we can maybe start posting some conversions. Enworld has some, and I've found others around the internet, but most aren't 3.5e, and frankly, there are sooooooooo many that still need conversion period.
Once we get the index finalized, we can maybe start posting some conversions. Enworld has some, and I've found others around the internet, but most aren't 3.5e, and frankly, there are sooooooooo many that still need conversion period.
Currently working on a 3.5 Actaeon on the Enworld boards (the thread is locked as the moment but you can get to here.
I know it's not OD&D or Mystara but I'm also working on the Seawolf here. I'm tempted to bring back the Werehawk.
Regards,
Gary
I'm tempted to bring back the Werehawk.
This would be awsome!!! I regularly think about this guys, play with the idea but never really amke anything on them. It would be great!!
:D
Since we are including Hollow World monsters, should we add Savage Coast creatures into this list?
Funny you should say that, Traianus. I was thinking about that myself yesterday. I'd say the answer is yes, just not at the moment (unless someone else wanted to get to it before me, of course). I'd want to add them to my monster database before detailing the Savage Coast regions.
Thanks for the Thunder Rift answer; I'll include them.
I'm tempted to bring back the Werehawk.
I don't see why they couldn't exist in the Hollow World! Nay, they *SHOULD* be in the Hollow World!
I'm tempted to bring back the Werehawk.
After reading PC4 for the first time earlier this year, I think that would be an excellent idea. :D There are lots of ways that they could have been saved, or reintroduced.
The Hollow World is a definite possibility - perhaps Ka the Preserver saved a single pair of them and placed them somewhere in the Hollow World in order to preserve their soon-to-be-extinct species. It doesn't have to be Ka, I'm sure there are other obvious choices.
Otherwise, they could easily be reintroduced by mortals who are playing around with lycanthropy again, or by an Immortal who has the right motivation.
Either way, I'd love to see the look on Ruaidhri Hawkbane's face when he finds out that actually he failed to exterminate them all... :D
The monster conversion thread got me to thinking about the creature conversions that are in the Vaults. Although they are far from 'offical' 3.X conversions, I feel that the Vaults is a very important source of Mystara material. So, I was wondering if 3.X conversions of OD&D creatures that appear in Vaults should be included in this OD&D creature index. Right now it only contains published creatures.
I'm torn between yes and no, so could you help me decide?
The monster conversion thread got me to thinking about the creature conversions that are in the Vaults. Although they are far from 'offical' 3.X conversions, I feel that the Vaults is a very important source of Mystara material. So, I was wondering if 3.X conversions of OD&D creatures that appear in Vaults should be included in this OD&D creature index.
IMO, conversions from the Vaults could be included. What about multiple and different conversions of the same creature, however (as nosferatu)?
Perhaps a solution could be indicating the OD&D creatures that have got a 3.5 conversion at the Vaults in a separate list, in order to make the existent one completely "official".
Hi there!
IMO, conversions from the Vaults could be included. What about multiple and different conversions of the same creature, however (as nosferatu)?
Perhaps a solution could be indicating the OD&D creatures that have got a 3.5 conversion at the Vaults in a separate list, in order to make the existent one completely "official".
yeah that seems like a good idea, but if you were going to do that then you may as well go hunt out every 3E conversion of a Mystaran creature out there.
I've gone through and edited each list to include reference to the Vaults were applicable, as well as changed all CC (creature catalog) notations to DMR2 to more accurately represent the product.
(Sorry for the extra work, Shawn ;) ) Any future updates will not be on such an all-encompassing scale.
(Sorry for the extra work, Shawn ;) ) Any future updates will not be on such an all-encompassing scale.
cheers Hugin :D
I also found a few creatures from Champions of Mystara that I've over-looked and placed them in as well. They include the Cestian Gobbler, the Night Dragon, and Sky Wyrms.
I also found a few creatures from Champions of Mystara that I've over-looked and placed them in as well. They include the Cestian Gobbler, the Night Dragon, and Sky Wyrms.
there's also
Dragonfly, Gold Dungeon #6, pg 62
Seal, Fur Dungeon #6, pg 63
there's also
Dragonfly, Gold Dungeon #6, pg 62
Seal, Fur Dungeon #6, pg 63
Thanks, stanles. I have them entered in now.
(P.S. The most recently updated portion of the update page on the Vaults is not displaying properly.)
(P.S. The most recently updated portion of the update page on the Vaults is not displaying properly.)
it looks OK to me, what is wrong with it for you?
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It's alright from here after. Any ideas?
wow I'm not getting that, has anyone else seen this? I'll try uploading it again.
Just picked up Stormwrack today and it had the following creatures in it:
Crab, Montrous (Giant in RC) 141
Archelon 144
Ichthyosaur 145
Plesiosaur 146
Leech, Giant 154
Piranha (Swarm) 162
After a quick glance, this is a pretty good supplement.
Edit: Stormwrack references all done!
Shawn, I thought I'd let you know that the updates page is looking normal again.
cool
I did notice another creature from DA2; the Killer Frog. At first I thought it was just the Poisonous Frog, but it is indeed different, and more powerful too (by only a wee bit
).So List 'F' is about to be updated with those. (Read as done by the time anyone can check ;) ).
There is also a description of the Ebon Tiger in the Rage of the Rakasta module. If you have it.
Rage of the Rakasta?
Rage of the Rakasta?
It is one of the Thunder Rift modules. Those modules also introduced quite a few other monsters actually that should be included on your list.
I'll check them later, but here are a few that I remember off-hand:
White Widow (Quest for the Silver Sword?)
Rakasta Ninja (Rage of the Rakasta)
Bamboo Golem (Rage of the Rakasta)
Newt (Knight of Newts)
Ratling (Quest for the Silver Sword)
There are a few TR modules that I dont have as well, so if others might help I'd be greatful
Håvard
Bamboo Golem (Rage of the Rakasta)
sounds kind of interesting. I didn't know there were all these new creatures in the Thunder Rift modules. I don't own any of these modules at all.
sounds kind of interesting. I didn't know there were all these new creatures in the Thunder Rift modules. I don't own any of these modules at all.
Yeah, I just realized that recently myself. I guess I read through them when I first bought them and then forgot about it. I'll look through them later and see if I forgot some. If other people can help with the modules I dont own, then that would be very useful too.
Although some of these creatures may have been unique to Thunder Rift, I suspect most are found all over Mystara.
Håvard
Rage of the Rakasta
Assault on Raven's Ruin
and Escape from Thunder Rift
I always placed Thunder Rift in the mountains in Karameikos.
Some monsters I see that aren't mentioned are:
Lesser Nightmare (Escape from Thunder Rift)
Galumph (Assault on Raven's Ruin)
Large Raven (Assault on Raven's Ruin)
These might be covered in other modules or manuals. I am just comparing to havard's list.
Lets see, I have 3 of them.
Rage of the Rakasta
Assault on Raven's Ruin
and Escape from Thunder Rift
I always placed Thunder Rift in the mountains in Karameikos.
Some monsters I see that aren't mentioned are:
Lesser Nightmare (Escape from Thunder Rift)
Galumph (Assault on Raven's Ruin)
Large Raven (Assault on Raven's Ruin)
These might be covered in other modules or manuals. I am just comparing to havard's list.
Thanks Tjedge. I remember these creatures now that you mention them. The Galumph is some kind of Giant Frog, right? The Giant Raven might be substitued for a Dire Raven in 3E. The Nightmare is already around. Is it really specified as a Lesser Nightmare in the scenario?
Håvard
Thanks Tjedge. I remember these creatures now that you mention them. The Galumph is some kind of Giant Frog, right? The Giant Raven might be substitued for a Dire Raven in 3E. The Nightmare is already around. Is it really specified as a Lesser Nightmare in the scenario?
Håvard
Galumph, yes, it's some kind of giant frog.
The Lesser Nightmare is a weaker version of the Nightmare. And it is specified in the module I listed with it as a Lesser Nightmare. ;)
Not sure why anybody would use one other than to have some low level characters get a taste of one early on.
(Updated sections are the legend, B, D, G, H, N, R, T, and V)
Carvet Mystara Monstrous Compendium
I had a chance to look at the MMC today and couldn't find this creature. Any help?
I had a chance to look at the MMC today and couldn't find this creature. Any help?
It is a thieving magpie, but I can't find it in the MMC either, just the normal and giant versions of the magpie. I'm wondering if its referenced elsewhere and my note was to point me to some stats.
Finally remembered to update the index with the extra creatures. I have a feeling the next update will be a result of conversions placed on the Vaults! ;)
yeah it's happening, hopefully this weekend being a long weekend
yeah it's happening, hopefully this weekend being a long weekend
I see you've done an update to the Vaults! AND if I've seen it correctly, you've already added the new 3E conversions to the OD&D creatures in 3E file. Thanks! (let me know if I'm mistaken, but I have a feeling it is easier for you this way).
I think that any additions or updates will be done line-for-line in a new post, instead of 'updating' the letter's lists individually. Let me know if this works better than the way we've been doing it.
I see you've done an update to the Vaults! AND if I've seen it correctly, you've already added the new 3E conversions to the OD&D creatures in 3E file. Thanks! (let me know if I'm mistaken, but I have a feeling it is easier for you this way).
yeah pretty much
I think that any additions or updates will be done line-for-line in a new post, instead of 'updating' the letter's lists individually. Let me know if this works better than the way we've been doing it.
yeah that is definitely easier for me thanks Hugin
I would like people here to post any creatures they know of that appeared in modules and do not show up on Hugin's list because they never got the official "New Monster" treatment. I'm hoping there aren't many...
I would like people here to post any creatures they know of that appeared in modules and do not show up on Hugin's list because they never got the official "New Monster" treatment. I'm hoping there aren't many...
I would like to second that request. There were some that I did notice, and did not notice, that we discussed not too long ago in this thread, but I'm sure there is more.
In the process of converting Mystaran monsters to 3.5E, I have run into an interesting problem. My latest conversion, the Flame Wolf, was included in an encounter block in Twilight Calling, but was never entered into a "New Monster" section or otherwise published. There are at least 3 others in that module (not including the carnifex).
I would like people here to post any creatures they know of that appeared in modules and do not show up on Hugin's list because they never got the official "New Monster" treatment. I'm hoping there aren't many...
Hmmm, I'd never even thought of that. Makes me want to look through all my modules again for such things.
Only one I can think of right now is Malakaz (from X4?). Also, what about those slug creatures from the Blood Brethren Trilogy? The ones that posessed the Goblin Princes?
Also, some monsters that appeared in the Thunder Rift products, not sure if they are found in 3E:
Dwelf (No stats, only mentioned. Name is my creation actually)
Newt (see Knight of Newts)
Ratling (See Quest for the Silver Sword)
Spider, White Widow (See Quest for the Silver Sword)
Golem, Ice (See Quest for the Silver Sword)
Golem, Armor (See Quest for the Silver Sword)
Beetle, Spitting (See Quest for the Silver Sword)
Galumph (See Assault on Raven’s Ruin)
Rakasta Warrior (see Rage of the Rakasta)
Rakasta Ninja (see Rage of the Rakasta)
Bamboo Golem (see Rage of the Rakasta)
Ebon Tiger (see Rage of the Rakasta)
Abelaat (See the Penhaligon Trilogy, No stats)
Also, what about those slug creatures from the Blood Brethren Trilogy? The ones that posessed the Goblin Princes?
IIRC, the Blood Brothers' current forms (the monkey and the other one... whatever it was) were given some degree of writeup in the entries on the goblin princes. Were you thinking of the things that controlled the annelids? I don't think those got any stats.
Also, some monsters that appeared in the Thunder Rift products, not sure if they are found in 3E:
Newt (see Knight of Newts)
The Newt is essentially a Bullywug. If you compare the TR statblock with the Bullywug entry from the 2E Monstrous Compendium, you'll see they are basically identical, with some minor changes.
Speaking of which, the Frogmen of DA2: Temple of the Frog, I don't believe had a stat writeup in the back of the book, but only a statblock and a brief description embedded in the text of the module.
Golem, Ice (See Quest for the Silver Sword)
Frostburn has an Ice Golem- not sure how they compare, though.
Ebon Tiger (see Rage of the Rakasta)
Is that where that one came from? I wondered why there was an entry for it in the Mystara MC. RotR is one of the TR modules I don't yet own...
IIRC, the Blood Brothers' current forms (the monkey and the other one... whatever it was) were given some degree of writeup in the entries on the goblin princes. Were you thinking of the things that controlled the annelids? I don't think those got any stats.
Ah, its been a while since I read/ran those modules. The monkey and the slug, was it. I dunno. I guess they could be made into monster blocks. I had forgotten about the guys who controlled the annelids. Could they control other things as well?
Newts:
The Newt is essentially a Bullywug. If you compare the TR statblock with the Bullywug entry from the 2E Monstrous Compendium, you'll see they are basically identical, with some minor changes.
True. One thing I noticed about the Newts is that on all the illustrations of them, they always wear chain mail or other armor. This, in spite of the fact that the text says that they almost never wear armor.
Speaking of which, the Frogmen of DA2: Temple of the Frog, I don't believe had a stat writeup in the back of the book, but only a statblock and a brief description embedded in the text of the module.
There are stats for them in Blackmoor D20 though...
Ice Golem
Frostburn has an Ice Golem- not sure how they compare, though.
I had forgotten about that. I'll look into it.
Ebon Tiger:
Is that where that one came from? I wondered why there was an entry for it in the Mystara MC. RotR is one of the TR modules I don't yet own...
Yeah, I think that must have been where they first appeared. I saw them first in the MMC too, but RoTR was published before that. Perhaps they are native to Myoshima?
More:
Oh yeah, and the Northern Reaches Gaz has a few monsters mentioned in the history section that were never given stat blocks:
Great Giant (Possibly similar to Eldrich Giant from MM3)
Giant Troll
Earth Troll
Rock Troll
Could be more as well...
Håvard
Ah, its been a while since I read/ran those modules. The monkey and the slug, was it. I dunno. I guess they could be made into monster blocks.
They are more NPCs, really, since there's just the two Blood Brothers (Koresh Teyd and Simm of the Grasping Dark- the monkey and slug are just their current forms (so they act essentially as familiars for the two goblin princes).
I had forgotten about the guys who controlled the annelids. Could they control other things as well?
I don't remember- I'll have to dig those modules out, but offhand I'd have to say "why not?" IIRC, the control thingies were made from the eggs of the Feathered Serpents.
They are more NPCs, really, since there's just the two Blood Brothers (Koresh Teyd and Simm of the Grasping Dark- the monkey and slug are just their current forms (so they act essentially as familiars for the two goblin princes).
Hmmm...sort of like Demonic Parasites? Isn't that a good name for a monster?
I don't remember- I'll have to dig those modules out, but offhand I'd have to say "why not?" IIRC, the control thingies were made from the eggs of the Feathered Serpents.
Ah, I have completely forgotten about these things. I think they could make excellent monsters though!
Perhaps creating them from Feathered Serpent Eggs is only one way of bringing these creatures into the world?
Håvard
Only one I can think of right now is Malakaz (from X4?). Also, what about those slug creatures from the Blood Brethren Trilogy? The ones that posessed the Goblin Princes?
The Malakaz doesn't have any stats (that I can find) so I'm inclined not to include it. Same goes for the Blood brethren. I'm going to have only stated creatures in the reference index if only for the reason that an unstated creature doesn't need to be 'converted' as such. Of course, if there are strong objections to this I'll change my mind. (It isn't mine, it's ours! ;) )
Also, some monsters that appeared in the Thunder Rift products, not sure if they are found in 3E:
I'm going to double check these but I believe I have them already included. A creature with 'levels' or 'classes' should probably not be given another entry if the 'base' creature is already represented, IMHO of course.
The Newt is essentially a Bullywug.
Thanks Andrew. That's good to know.
Speaking of which, the Frogmen of DA2: Temple of the Frog, I don't believe had a stat writeup in the back of the book, but only a statblock and a brief description embedded in the text of the module.
They've been entered as Frog Folk (as per DA2). I missed these for a long time because I wasn't looking completely through every product. Luckily someone pointed it out to me. Thanks for the Blackmoor reference, Havard.
Oh yeah, and the Northern Reaches Gaz has a few monsters mentioned in the history section that were never given stat blocks:
Great Giant (Possibly similar to Eldrich Giant from MM3)
Giant Troll
Earth Troll
Rock Troll
Could be more as well...
I really wish they gave stats for these. I've used these IMC as 'legends' when the PC's spent the winter of 1004/1005 in Vestland. They faced some common trolls but the clan's head godi (of Odin) told them stories of other trolls that are said to have plagued these lands.
There are troll variations in MMIII, such as cave, forest, and mountain trolls, but I don't know what they are like stat-wise since I don't have that book. They may be usable as is or with slight modifications.
I don't remember- I'll have to dig those modules out, but offhand I'd have to say "why not?" IIRC, the control thingies were made from the eggs of the Feathered Serpents.
Consider what follows to be spoilers...
I've recently been converting things from those modules- the great annelids are in stasis due to the spell of preservation, but Thanatos realized that this was tied into the burrowers intelligence. When their Intelligence was reduced to that of a normal animal, they could circumvent the stasis. The problem with this is now you have a 25' wide, 1000' long eating machine that is only going to do what IT wants to do.
Feathered Serpents have two stages of life- in the first and commonly known stage they are as intelligent as a dog. For the second they migrate to a special location in the clouds, where they cocoon themselves, eventually awakening their innate sentiance. Normally, no one ever sees them in this form. But one groups migration was diverted, and they were tricked into undergoing their metamorphosis. These serpents were used to control the annelids (I don't remember how altered they were).
The module indicates they were specifically altered to control the burrowers and nothing else (honestly if you could control a burrower, would you need to control anything else?) and normal mature feathered serpents have no such control ability.
There are troll variations in MMIII, such as cave, forest, and mountain trolls, but I don't know what they are like stat-wise since I don't have that book. They may be usable as is or with slight modifications.
Yes, I used War Trolls in an adventure set in Alphatia and gave the party a real scare. :evillaugh
Regards,
Gary
Finally remembered to update the index with the extra creatures. I have a feeling the next update will be a result of conversions placed on the Vaults! ;)
(Updated sections are the legend, B, D, G, H, N, R, T, and V)
Hey Shawn, I noticed that these updates didn't make it onto the Vaults when I was checking the 'Newt' entry. Thought I should point that out.
It doesn't appear that the bullywug has been converted in 3E either, has it?
Flame Wolf...M3 9...
Malusite...M3 8...
Kirekan...M3 10...
and for the 'Legend'...
M3 = Twilight Calling
Hey Shawn, I noticed that these updates didn't make it onto the Vaults when I was checking the 'Newt' entry. Thought I should point that out.
It doesn't appear that the bullywug has been converted in 3E either, has it?
thanks Hugin but yeah I was aware of that one (but if there are things like that that are missing feel free to point them out as it's just as likely that I did miss something), unfortunately the last update wasn't a totally complete one but I just needed to get something out as things have been busy lately - my New York adventure is drawing to a close at the moment so I'll be back in Aus soon.
Some updates, Shawn!
Flame Wolf...M3 9...
Malusite...M3 8...
Kirekan...M3 10...
and for the 'Legend'...
M3 = Twilight Calling
cheers, it's in the same text file on my desktop as the previous notification for myself
Some updates, Shawn!
...
and for the 'Legend'...
M3 = Twilight Calling
Scratch that "M3 = Twilight Calling" for the Legend. It already appears as "M# = Master Module". Sorry.
You must be a little excited to be going home. Hope everything goes nice and smooth for you.
Aus? Is that short for Australia, Austria, Austin? Just curious.
Australia. We are positioning ourselves around the world so that when the signal is given, we take over! Long Live Mystara! :D
It doesn't appear that the bullywug has been converted in 3E either, has it?
I think it's in Monsters of Faerun (of all places), but I don't own that book myself.
I think it's in Monsters of Faerun (of all places), but I don't own that book myself.
Me neither but it looks like you're right, according to this page. If someone can confirm that this 3E version of the Bullywug is a good representation for the Newt let me know.
Gargantua Basilisk M3 11
Gargantua Treant M3 8
At a later point I'm going to develope the Gargantua Template. The Titanic template only works for animals and vermin, and doesn't quite do the same things that the Gargantua treatment did in OD&D
Shawn, here's another small addition to add to 'Gargantua' OD&D Reference column:
M3 8 & 11
Anyone who owns MMIII out there that can compare the two and see if they might be similar?
Will do. :D
Regards,
Gary
They are fairly similar, the 3.5e goatfolk is slightly tougher (an extra Hit Dice) ans also slightly better in a fight. It loses the backstab and surprise (although it does get the Alertness feat) abilities but gains the ability 'pack fervor' and Darkvision 60 feet.
Hope that helps.
Regards,
Gary
They are fairly similar, the 3.5e goatfolk is slightly tougher (an extra Hit Dice) ans also slightly better in a fight. It loses the backstab and surprise (although it does get the Alertness feat) abilities but gains the ability 'pack fervor' and Darkvision 60 feet.
Cool- sounds like the backstab ability could be replaced by simply adding a level of Rogue to the goatfolk. Could work as a good alternative to the Goatman of the Savage Coast.
Also, some updates to the list here (some things I've noted as I've been comparing the list to published products earlier):
Ape, White: This is fundamentally the same as the Ape entry in MM 268. The only real difference is that the White Ape is a rock thrower, is white, and an herbivore. Not sure if it needs a separate writeup or not.
Baboon, Rock: The rock baboon is really only an advanced (2 HD) version of the baboon described on MM 268.
Basilisk: There is also a planar earth variant in Mystara that is not described in any other product besides the old D&D products. Maybe we need a separate entry for Basilisk, Planar (RC 159).
Bat, Giant: I think the Dire Bat (MM 62) is supposed to be the new "giant" bat. It is a bit tougher, but otherwise fits the description. There should probably be a new (modified) entry for "Giant Vampire Bat"- a blood drinker that is described as a rarity on p. 159 of the Cyclopedia.
Bear, Grizzly: The grizzly is just a subspecies of Brown Bear, and so is covered on MM 269
Bear, Cave: Again, I think the Dire Bear (MM 63) is supposed to cover this. Their physical descriptions (size, anyway) are similar (as are their damage ratings). The Dire Bear is considerably tougher, but they should probably be considered the same.
Boar, Great: See Dire Boar (MM 63). A little weaker, but fundamentally the same.
Centipede, Giant: MM 286 (Monstrous Centipede)
Cockatrice: Should also have a separate entry for Cockatrice, Planar (RC 164).
Crocodile, Giant: This looks more like the Crocodile, Large from RC 164 (which doesn't currently have an entry). The Giant Croc described on p. 164 of the RC is much meaner, and looks like it is some kind of Dire version of the croc. Don't know if a Dire Crocodile has ever been statted offhand, though.
Cyclops: These guys are given an entry in The Shining South (a new entry not given at the top of the list)- SS 64. Also, the D&DG page reference should be D&DG 132.
Elephant, Prehistoric: There is also an entry for a Wooly Mammoth in Frostburn (FB 118).
Elf, Aquatic: These guys have an entry in MM 103.
Ferret, Giant: For all intents and purposes, I'd use the Dire Weasel entry (MM 65). A ferret belongs to the same Genus as a weasel, but is a different species.
Gargoyle: In OD&D these guys are constructs, but in D&D they are living creatures. Personally, I prefer them as constructs, but it may be not be worth separating the two. Thoughts?
Genie, Djinni: The RC has these guys somewhat tougher on their home plane (immune to normal weapons, among other things). Don't know if that is something to be discarded, or worthy of another entry. The Pasha (Greater Djinni) is different enough from the Noble Djinn that it might warrant its own entry on this list.
Genie, Efreeti: See above for Djinni. On the Elemental Plane of Fire, these guys are somewhat different. There should probably also be an entry for Genie, Efreeti (Amir, Greater), RC 174, as these are more powerful versions of Efreeti, and don't have any sort of counterpart in the MM at all (unlike the possible Noble Djinn counterpart of the Pasha).
Gorgon: Add an entry for Gorgon, Planar (RC 181).
Green Slime: This is now considered a hazard, and there is an entry for it (DMG 76).
Hag, Black: Appearance-wise, I think this was supposed to be the same as the Night Hag (MM 194), though their abilities differ. The Sea Hag's abilities are different between the two versions as well, though.
Invisible Stalker: Another case of a race being more powerful on its home plane. Still not sure how to account for this (if at all).
Sabre-Tooth Tiger: The page reference for the smilodon (sabretooth) is FB 118.
Tiger: MM 281.
Wererat: The Mystaran version of the wererat is quite different from the "standard" version, in that it is a rat that takes on human form, rather than the reverse. PC4 came up with a different version (the "Greater Wererat") that is essentially the MM version of the creature. Perhaps an entry for Wererat, Lesser (BA, RC 190, PC4)?
Yellow Mold: Like the Green Slime, now a hazard. (DMG 76)
More as I work through the list!
Elf, Aquatic: These guys have an entry in MM 103.
They also are covered in great detail in Stormwrack. I'll try to find a page reference for you.
). Not only that, the times I do get to come here are usually short. However, I'll try to find time to boil the info down for Shawn to include it onto the Vaults version.They also are covered in great detail in Stormwrack. I'll try to find a page reference for you.
Flipped through it at the bookstore today- I think the pages were 48 (38?) and 149?
In any case, thanks for the reference!
Ferret, Giant: For all intents and purposes, I'd use the Dire Weasel entry (MM 65). A ferret belongs to the same Genus as a weasel, but is a different species.
Actually now that I've gotten to the bottom of the list, I realize there is a Giant Weasel entry as well, which corresponds to the Dire Weasel roughly. The Giant Ferret is probably *not* a Dire version, so it seems to have no counterpart in 3rd Edition as yet, so needs no modification.
Now on with the additions:
Sasquatch: FB 162 (as Yeti)- also OA 199. The only differences would be an annotation that there is also a woodland variety (the sasquatch) and that the sasquatch throws rocks. Oddly, despite a picture in Frostburn of the Yeti throwing rocks, there is no mention of it in its description.
Scorpion, Giant: MM 287 (Medium Monstrous Scorpion)
Shadow: The Mystaran version of the Shadow isn't an undead creature, though it is essentially the same creature. Tough call on whether to make a new entry or not...
Shark, Bull: Roughly a Medium Shark (MM 279)
Shark, Mako: Size would seem to fit the Large Shark (MM 279).
Shark, Great White: Huge Shark would probably fit best (MM 279).
Snake: They kind of genericized these guys into the two ways snakes kill- constrictors and vipers. As such, the Pit Viper corresponds more or less with the Medium Viper (MM 280), and the Rock Python seems to more or less correspond to the Giant Constrictor Snake (MM 280). The Spitting Cobra certainly deserves its own entry, but I'm still undecided on whether the Giant Racer, Sea Snake, and Giant Rattler should have their own entry or simply be considered one of the "generic" viper snakes in the MM.
Spider, Planar: This one's a toughie. It's essentially identical to the Phase Spider of AD&D (and 3rd edition), except that it was given Intelligence in Mystara, where the Phase Spider is largely just a predatory monster. The intellect and mercantile ways probably warrant a different entry from Phase Spider (MM 207), but statistics wise, there isn't much difference.
Weasel, Giant: Corresponds with the Dire Weasel (MM 65) even down to the blood drain.
Manta Ray: MM 275
Neanderthal: Page references- FB 36 and 145
Pteranodon: Add a reference for SK 65 (Serpent Kingdoms)
Pterosaur: I'd guess the "Large Pterosaur" is probably a Quetzalcoatlus, which is the largest known pterosaur (though it didn't have wingspans of over 50 feet that I know of), and this guy is covered in MMII 72. The hit die is the same (10).
Rat, Giant: This is the Dire Rat (MM 64)
Werebat: MoF 91
Wereshark: MoF 92
And that should do it for the Rules Cyclopedia monsters. As I work through others on the list, I'll see if I can help add to this!
Personally, I will probably use the Monster Manual II Scorpionfolk entry as Mystara's Manscorpions IMC should I need them. Opinions?
I just recently got the MMII, so hadn't read about the scorpionfolk before now. Aside from the larger HD and spell-like abilities, one difference between the Mystaran Manscorpion and the Scorpionfolk is that the Scorpionfolk have four arms- two humanlike ones and two scorpion claws. The Manscorpion only has the one pair, so keep that in mind with any conversions.
You have been warned.
Balucitherium/Grangeri: Oddly, when researching these, I found that they appear to be the same beast- named the Baluchitherium Grangeri, in fact. It is more properly known as the Indricotherium, about whom we had a discussion about a year ago. Anyone have an original reference for the Baluchitherium? I don't see it listed in the original CC, nor the Master DM's Book Monster List, nor X1 or anywhere else. Seems to have snuck in somehow, despite the already existing Grangeri.
Elk, Giant: There are two versions of a giant elk that I know of. The Megaloceros (FB 117), and the Dire Elk (MMII 75).
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but there will be a couple updated Mystara monsters in Dragon #339.
Is that the Campaign Classics issue? Or something else?
Is that the Campaign Classics issue? Or something else?
It's the right number for the January issue.
Regards,
Gary
Is that the Campaign Classics issue? Or something else?
Campaign Classics.
Also, since I've got your attention... There might be another bit of Mystara content in a later issue this same year...
I've noticed you have been equating dire versions of creatures with their Giant OD&D counterparts.
It does seem to be the case that the intent behind Dire animals wasn't just to have "giant" versions of them (especially from the description in the MM), but in actual practice, the design of them hasn't been quite that clear-cut in many of the "official" products to come out.
In several products, differences between Dire versions are not always cut and dried- for instance, the Megaloceros is clearly the Real World animal that designers had in mind when creating the Giant Elk in OD&D, yet for some reason it is listed as a Dire Animal (in Frostburn) rather than either a dinosaur, animal, or under its own "M" entry. Most ancient non-dinosaur megafauna seem to have fallen into this category- the Smilodon (sabre-tooth tiger), Dire Wolf, Glyptodon, Wooly Mammoth. It probably would have been better to simply have a "Megafauna" category separate from "Dire Animal" to cover them, but as it stands, there is a lot of grey area in classifying them.
The other reason for my decision was simply on the basis of simplicity- rather than completely reworking the statistics, it seems simpler to just use the Dire version in most cases (because of the statistical similarities), and just change the descriptions if one wants. A lot of the descriptions of the Giant animals in OD&D are vague enough that they could very well be Dire creatures- or not. It seems pretty clear that the designers of the MM meant for the Dire Rat to be the same thing as the AD&D (and OD&D) Giant Rat.
Something to keep in mind, though- maybe in a footnote or something?
It does seem to be the case that the intent behind Dire animals wasn't just to have "giant" versions of them (especially from the description in the MM), but in actual practice, the design of them hasn't been quite that clear-cut in many of the "official" products to come out.
In several products, differences between Dire versions are not always cut and dried- for instance, the Megaloceros is clearly the Real World animal that designers had in mind when creating the Giant Elk in OD&D, yet for some reason it is listed as a Dire Animal (in Frostburn) rather than either a dinosaur, animal, or under its own "M" entry. Most ancient non-dinosaur megafauna seem to have fallen into this category- the Smilodon (sabre-tooth tiger), Dire Wolf, Glyptodon, Wooly Mammoth. It probably would have been better to simply have a "Megafauna" category separate from "Dire Animal" to cover them, but as it stands, there is a lot of grey area in classifying them.
The other reason for my decision was simply on the basis of simplicity- rather than completely reworking the statistics, it seems simpler to just use the Dire version in most cases (because of the statistical similarities), and just change the descriptions if one wants. A lot of the descriptions of the Giant animals in OD&D are vague enough that they could very well be Dire creatures- or not. It seems pretty clear that the designers of the MM meant for the Dire Rat to be the same thing as the AD&D (and OD&D) Giant Rat.
Something to keep in mind, though- maybe in a footnote or something?
I don't think the designers had a strong concept of the dire quality. In some creatures the dire quality really does seem to be more of the "giant" variety (the dire rat best illustrates this) while others do not- the dire bear illustration clearly looks nothing like the real world bear (whether modern or prehistoric).
I will probably convert them separately over in the conversion thread, but a note indicating the descriptive differences should suffice.
I don't think the designers had a strong concept of the dire quality. In some creatures the dire quality really does seem to be more of the "giant" variety (the dire rat best illustrates this) while others do not- the dire bear illustration clearly looks nothing like the real world bear (whether modern or prehistoric).
I will probably convert them separately over in the conversion thread, but a note indicating the descriptive differences should suffice.
Dire creatures are not only larger, but also often have added claws, horns and other beastly traits. That is the base concept.
OTOH, the OD&D Giant Animal concept is much more losely defined. Some animals are only a bit bigger than normal, others have their size dramatically increased. Whether they have other traits like the Dire versions is really left up to the DM since OD&D descriptions tend to be rather vague...
In most cases I think the Dire version of the animal works well as a replacement, but in some we just need a new conversion, especially for the smallest (original form) creatures like Giant ants and such...
Håvard